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Mylene
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 Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 12:26 pm |
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| snl67 wrote: | | I will probably purchase Tweeny Witches simply because I want Media Blasters to know I want more bilingual releases. And for some reason, my Volume 2 pre-order of xxxHolic has yet to show up from Right Stuf (BIG CLAMP fan). |
Bah, my volume 1 with artbox of xxxHolic still hasn't shown up yet either. I ordered it a month or two ago and it seems they haven't restocked it since then.
As for Tweeny Witches, I'm going to continue renting rather than buying it. The first volume felt terribly disjointed. Neat looking, and with a neat idea, but nothing really felt like it belonged together. I'm holding out hope for improvement though, and once I see said improvement, it's going to the buy list. Just waiting for the right moment... |
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belvadeer
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 12:33 pm |
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| Well basically if you like South Park, then Shin-chan is pretty much up there with it. |
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daedelus
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 12:35 pm |
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| Mylene wrote: | | Bah, my volume 1 with artbox of xxxHolic still hasn't shown up yet either. I ordered it a month or two ago and it seems they haven't restocked it since then. |
Hey, you might want to double check your order because I do believe I remember seeing the xxxholic vol 1+box on their discontinued items list in last weeks e-newsletter. ***rereads newsletter*** Yeah, it's on the list. I'm sorry. |
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Shadowrun20XX
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 1:00 pm |
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| belvadeer wrote: | | Well basically if you like South Park, then Shin-chan is pretty much up there with it. |
The dub is pretty much like South Park.That is what penguin was talking about earlier,the actual Crayon Shin Chan is nothing like South Park.The 20 or so episodes that Funi grabbed out of the 616,that they dubbed over,made it a completely different show.I hella like the insane dub writing and the ED is catchy,but I wish they would start from the beginning and release the actual show instead of halfassing it.I'm a fan of the original series and it's looking like any chances of a R1 sub release are gone. |
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Mylene
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 1:02 pm |
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| daedelus wrote: | | Mylene wrote: | | Bah, my volume 1 with artbox of xxxHolic still hasn't shown up yet either. I ordered it a month or two ago and it seems they haven't restocked it since then. |
Hey, you might want to double check your order because I do believe I remember seeing the xxxholic vol 1+box on their discontinued items list in last weeks e-newsletter. ***rereads newsletter*** Yeah, it's on the list. I'm sorry. |
Thanks for the warning. I'll email customer service about it, and I guess just pick up the box when it comes down in price at Best Buy or something. |
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jel123
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 1:05 pm |
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| Ramadahl wrote: | | jel123 wrote: | | Ramadahl wrote: | | And for those few who did want the actual Japanese, I'm guessing that funi decided it wasn't economically feasible - seems a likely motivation for companies actions these days. |
You could be correct but where is the added expense? |
Honestly? I've no idea. It was a guess... |
I think that it's a fair guess. Just trying to understand how including subs and second audio track would be that much more expensive. As you say maybe someone with more knowledge can shed light on this.
| Ramadahl wrote: | | jel123 wrote: | | Ramadahl wrote: | | Not such a different situation from sub-only DVDs, in a way |
I see it as being very different; the perception is that something (original audio) is being taken away. Where as with no dub it's that something (expensive dub) hasn't been added. |
I would say that the perception is different from what you state, that rather than something being taken away in the first case it's merely being replaced.
The comparison I was trying to make was more to fit in with the first part of my post - like with sub-only DVDs, we have a single language track rather than 2 due to economic constraints. |
Yes, but I have been led to believe that producing a dub is much more expensive than a sub. So sub only is understandable. I'm having a harder time excepting a dub only release as a cost cutting measure. As a percentage the cost of adding a sub must be much less than the cost of the dub. Are the profit margins that low? Perhaps they are, again maybe someone with better knowledge of the industry can comment. |
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Greed1914
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 2:57 pm |
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| daedelus wrote: | | Mylene wrote: | | Bah, my volume 1 with artbox of xxxHolic still hasn't shown up yet either. I ordered it a month or two ago and it seems they haven't restocked it since then. |
Hey, you might want to double check your order because I do believe I remember seeing the xxxholic vol 1+box on their discontinued items list in last weeks e-newsletter. ***rereads newsletter*** Yeah, it's on the list. I'm sorry. |
I kinda wonder why the artbox was dropped, at least from Right Stuf? I found it other places, but it's been out of stock with Right Stuf for awhile which is disappointing since I was planning on splurging for the box. |
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penguintruth
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 3:59 pm |
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My point is, if Funimation can't sell the entire product, they shouldn't sell it at all. It's a joke to only sell the dub-only discs. Clearly they'd been given the Japanese track if they'd been given anything at all. If it wasn't good enough to put on DVD, they shouldn't have bothered licensing the show to begin with. In this day and age, dub-only is unacceptable. At least sub-only makes sense - Japanese animation is Japanese. Even subtitles are a courtesy. Dubs are unnnecessary, but the Japanese track isn't. It's not a whole show without that track.
I'm not against dubs in the slightest. Don't try to twist it that way. But dubs are a bonus, and should always have been seen that way. Back when things were VHS, there was a necessity to dub everything, but anime has a larger fanbase now and that's no longer required.
Funimation is a successful company. It can afford to pay for the whole show. |
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Greed1914
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 5:25 pm |
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| Just because the fanbase has grown doesn't make dubs unnecessary as you put it. Plenty of people find it more appealing to watch something in their own language and a large fanbase doesn't translate into an experience fanbase that wants to watch everything with subtitles. And I don't really see how dubs are a bonus and "should have always been seen that way." Maybe to you that's the case, but certainly not to me. A bonus would be commentary or trailers, hence the extras feature on many discs. |
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penguintruth
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 5:36 pm |
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| Greed1914 wrote: | | Just because the fanbase has grown doesn't make dubs unnecessary as you put it. Plenty of people find it more appealing to watch something in their own language and a large fanbase doesn't translate into an experience fanbase that wants to watch everything with subtitles. And I don't really see how dubs are a bonus and "should have always been seen that way." Maybe to you that's the case, but certainly not to me. A bonus would be commentary or trailers, hence the extras feature on many discs. |
Don't get me started on trailers. Trailers are not an "extra", they're commercials for the company to advertise their other products, an excuse for licensors to be lazy with extras. They shouldn't even list them as "extras". I don't mind DVDs not having any extras, but they shouldn't invent "extras" by simply putting trailers on the disc. Television networks don't call commercials "extras", neither should DVD marketers. |
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Top Gun
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 5:41 pm |
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I know I'd be perfectly willing to buy a dub-only DVD under the right conditions, but it'd take a whole lot of prompting for me to shell out money for anything sub-only. I would venture a guess that this is generally the majority case across the board. Regarding Shin-chan specifically, what I do know is that the vast majority of my friends who generally prefer subs are enjoying the hell out of the dub and have expressed little to no interest in seeing the original subtitles; in fact, one of them who got his DVD set shipped early said that he considered the subtitled extra to be the dullest thing on the set. If these sorts of people are that enamored with the dub, not to mention those like me who generally prefer dubs in the first place, I sort of fail to see how any sort of legitimate subtitle market exists for the series in the first place.
(Oh, and penguintruth, whether intended or not, you're doing a wonderful impression of a weeaboo in some of these posts. The whole sub-purist argument is why I find so much of hardcore anime fandom to be utterly distasteful.) |
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penguintruth
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 6:00 pm |
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| Top Gun wrote: | I know I'd be perfectly willing to buy a dub-only DVD under the right conditions, but it'd take a whole lot of prompting for me to shell out money for anything sub-only. I would venture a guess that this is generally the majority case across the board. Regarding Shin-chan specifically, what I do know is that the vast majority of my friends who generally prefer subs are enjoying the hell out of the dub and have expressed little to no interest in seeing the original subtitles; in fact, one of them who got his DVD set shipped early said that he considered the subtitled extra to be the dullest thing on the set. If these sorts of people are that enamored with the dub, not to mention those like me who generally prefer dubs in the first place, I sort of fail to see how any sort of legitimate subtitle market exists for the series in the first place.
(Oh, and penguintruth, whether intended or not, you're doing a wonderful impression of a weeaboo in some of these posts. The whole sub-purist argument is why I find so much of hardcore anime fandom to be utterly distasteful.) |
If you think that's what I am, then you haven't read enough of my posts. I'm not a "purist". I know why there are dubs, understand their use, and enjoy many of them. But they simply aren't part of the original program. An anime is Japanese. To not include the Japanese track is to transform a Japanese cartoon into something it isn't. Nothing I've said is the slightest bit elitist - it's a logical progression of reason.
I'd be more than willing to pay for a subtitle-only DVD, and I'd wager you're wrong - most of us would rather pay for a subtitle-only DVD, not a English dub-only DVD. Because with the Japanese only track DVD, you get anime. With a DVD with only an English disc, you get Japanese pictures with North American voices.
I'm not saying "Don't enjoy dubs!". But anime is Japanese. Don't pretend it isn't. If you don't get the Japanese jokes in Shin-chan, then don't watch it, it's not for you. But to have jokes placed in by American writers makes it something it's not. There are American cartoons for that. Funimation should create their own cartoon if they want to make those jokes. |
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driverstart
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 6:25 pm |
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| penguintruth wrote: | | Top Gun wrote: | I know I'd be perfectly willing to buy a dub-only DVD under the right conditions, but it'd take a whole lot of prompting for me to shell out money for anything sub-only. I would venture a guess that this is generally the majority case across the board. Regarding Shin-chan specifically, what I do know is that the vast majority of my friends who generally prefer subs are enjoying the hell out of the dub and have expressed little to no interest in seeing the original subtitles; in fact, one of them who got his DVD set shipped early said that he considered the subtitled extra to be the dullest thing on the set. If these sorts of people are that enamored with the dub, not to mention those like me who generally prefer dubs in the first place, I sort of fail to see how any sort of legitimate subtitle market exists for the series in the first place.
(Oh, and penguintruth, whether intended or not, you're doing a wonderful impression of a weeaboo in some of these posts. The whole sub-purist argument is why I find so much of hardcore anime fandom to be utterly distasteful.) |
If you think that's what I am, then you haven't read enough of my posts. I'm not a "purist". I know why there are dubs, understand their use, and enjoy many of them. But they simply aren't part of the original program. An anime is Japanese. To not include the Japanese track is to transform a Japanese cartoon into something it isn't. Nothing I've said is the slightest bit elitist - it's a logical progression of reason.
I'd be more than willing to pay for a subtitle-only DVD, and I'd wager you're wrong - most of us would rather pay for a subtitle-only DVD, not a English dub-only DVD. Because with the Japanese only track DVD, you get anime. With a DVD with only an English disc, you get Japanese pictures with North American voices.
I'm not saying "Don't enjoy dubs!". But anime is Japanese. Don't pretend it isn't. If you don't get the Japanese jokes in Shin-chan, then don't watch it, it's not for you. But to have jokes placed in by American writers makes it something it's not. There are American cartoons for that. Funimation should create their own cartoon if they want to make those jokes. |
Actually, I rather pay for a English dub-only DVD than a subtitle only DVD. Don't get me wrong at all, sub is perfectly fine and watching the anime in its original language is great and stuff, but I get headaches often from listening to any anime in its original language after a while.
I agree with penguintruth about this whole situation, but if companies release series that only have the English dub in them and not the Japanese track, it wouldn't really mean much to me. I only really watch the show with the English dub. |
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Mad_Scientist
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 6:45 pm |
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The lack of a Japanese track and subs for Shin Chan is a bit annoying for fans of the original series. I'm not a fan of the series at all, so it doesn't effect me, but I can definitely see the point of view of those who want a sub.
I find myself usually prefering to watch anime subbed, though there are some series that I really enjoy the dubs for. But really, in my mind, the advent of DVD should have made sub vs dub mostly irrelevant. Simply include both and everybody's happy. But they didn't do that with Shin Chan.
Also, in the case of Shin Chan, the fact that the dub is substantially different from the original series only makes the dub-only release worse. It means that the original show is most likely never going to get an official US release, ever. And the original Shin Chan apparently does have fans. They may not be huge in number, but they do exist, and it's perfectly logical for them to be annoyed by this release strategy. |
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Top Gun
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 6:50 pm |
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| penguintruth wrote: | | I'm not saying "Don't enjoy dubs!". But anime is Japanese. Don't pretend it isn't. If you don't get the Japanese jokes in Shin-chan, then don't watch it, it's not for you. But to have jokes placed in by American writers makes it something it's not. There are American cartoons for that. Funimation should create their own cartoon if they want to make those jokes. |
I've never pretended that anime wasn't Japanese. But at the same time, the fact that it is Japanese has never made any bit of difference with me. I don't watch anime because it's Japanese; I wouldn't care if it was made in Korea, Yugoslavia, Chile, or Tanzania. I watch it because I enjoy the characters and the stories. I don't really give a fig what Shin-chan was originally like in Japan, what it was "supposed to be." All I know is that I greatly enjoy what Funi has done with it, and so I plan on buying their DVDs. And I'd be willing to lay down money that there are plenty of people out there like me.
(And yes, I do honestly consider the mentality of "it isn't Japanese without Japanese audio" to be rather elitist. By that mentality, anyone who only watches anime in English isn't an anime fan, since they haven't had the "true" experience.) |
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