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REVIEW: Mahoromatic: Something More Beautiful DV

*cough* She. Bamboo is a She.

Whoopsy. Must've read too much into the "Dong" name. Laughing

Some people live to be abusers. Some people live for the abuse. I think most of the time a series is looked at with eye's that are too "western" to understand what the "eastern" producers were trying to communicate to their indigenous audience. This is only natural.

"Oh. And also, degrading the profession/occupation of maids to nothing but a fetish, is something I personally take as offensive. Some people take pride in their work, you know? Is it a sin if a woman enjoys to cook and clean? Oh no! She must become a business woman, or a cop or something, otherwise, we must all accuse her of being a sexist prostitute!

Think about what you say before you say it."

Bite me, fanboy. You're totally blind if you can't see that maids in anime are there for FETISHISTIC purposes. Otaku get off on girls in maid costumes. The amount of fan service and nudity in Mahoromatic proves my point. Mahoro is a maid because Gainax wanted to sell it to countless horny fanboys.

REAL maids, women who clean hotels and houses and whatnot, fine, that's honest work. Nothing wrong with that. Claiming that somehow this highly fetishized anime character is striking a blow for the rights and respect of custodial occupations is self-delusional and ridiculous.

Mahoromatic and its ilk ARE sexist shows. They idealize a woman who is almost totally subservient to the man of the house. Your statement here proves how little you know about Japanese gender politics; women are still treated as second-class citizens there, and their popular entertainment reflects that.

Furthermore, I highly doubt that someone like you who clearly does NOT understand even the SLIGHTEST concept of what criticism is supposed to be has any right to tell me to "think about what I say before I say it". If you had half a brain you wouldn't have started this thread in the first place, which is a ridiculous, obsessive and childish rant chastizing a review for simply not agreeing with your viewpoint. The fact that you use the word "bias" to bash the review shows how truly clueless you are.

Crawl back down whatever hole you crawled out of. I'll throw in a few Mahoromatic DVDs and a whole box of Kleenex for you, too.

-Z

"Bite me, fanboy. You're totally blind if you can't see that maids in anime are there for FETISHISTIC purposes. Otaku get off on girls in maid costumes. The amount of fan service and nudity in Mahoromatic proves my point. Mahoro is a maid because Gainax wanted to sell it to countless horny fanboys."

(by the way Einstein, I'm a girl.)

You know, there are also "Otaku" who get off on Card Captor Sakura and Hamtaro. The amount of fanservice has nothing to do about it. Your point is in not proven through that. I mean sheesh. You frickin' state that Chobits is a very deep series which deserves viewing beyond the countless mountains of fanservice. The thought of saying that Chobits is much less "offensive", and aimed toward the "intelligent people" shows how warped you are. You contradict yourself directly in that point.

"REAL maids, women who clean hotels and houses and whatnot, fine, that's honest work. Nothing wrong with that. Claiming that somehow this highly fetishized anime character is striking a blow for the rights and respect of custodial occupations is self-delusional and ridiculous."

Mahoromatic and its ilk ARE sexist shows. They idealize a woman who is almost totally subservient to the man of the house. Your statement here proves how little you know about Japanese gender politics; women are still treated as second-class citizens there, and their popular entertainment reflects that.

Number one, should it be a sexist show, why the hell does Mahoro have any say over Suguru? It's like she takes the authoritive position, banning his porn, and making sure he gets off on the right foot. She refuses to be in such situations with him. She does NOT as you say, act completely subservient to Suguru. If this was the case, I'm sure every episode would end in a porn scene with Mahoro and Suguru (the thought kinda sickens me...).

Putting aside the fanservice, let me give a few quotations.

"Why doesn’t Mahoro use her awesome combat powers to help clean up the galaxy? Why does she use her amazing intergalactic transport to get a special turkey for Suguru, instead of using it to travel to exciting places?"

For one thing, i guess you already just skipped over the whole post and started your fun in flaming everyone with absurd points and such. I guess you wouldn't know this, but the whole concept behind the story is:

1) Mahoro could only wear her battle armor for 9 days if she decided to do such. Then her life would end. There isn't an awful lot you could do in 9 days, even as a super powered android. Alteternatively, she could live normally without her powers and armor for somewhere like... 390 days or something. The better choice, even if to help a little, would be the second, eh?
2) That's basically what she was doing the whole time to start with; working with the Vesper orginization.
3) Basically, Mahoro is living off of borrowed time, knowing how long her life is going to last, unlike humans who have decades to live life, Mahoro must experience all this in slightly more than a year.
4) Mahoro killed Suguru's father, and to ignore this point completely would be quite heartless. Especially if he was your squad's commander, and definently if you attended the funeral; only to see his 5 year old son mourning for his death.
5) To be willing to serve someone in an attempt to atone for the sin of killing their father is quite commendible, wouldn't you say? Especially if that's only a short amount of time.

"Furthermore, I highly doubt that someone like you who clearly does NOT understand even the SLIGHTEST concept of what criticism is supposed to be has any right to tell me to "think about what I say before I say it". If you had half a brain you wouldn't have started this thread in the first place, which is a ridiculous, obsessive and childish rant chastizing a review for simply not agreeing with your viewpoint. The fact that you use the word "bias" to bash the review shows how truly clueless you are."

Oh sure. Flame me to get your point through. Yet, you bothered to respond to this post to "make me agree" with your view point. The fact that you need to start with the insults to get your point across shows the childish flames you require. Sure. Bash the person who critisizes your review. Insult his intelligence. Way to go.

Wow. Half a brain, crawl back down your hole... I've heard these before. oh yeah. 3rd grade kids used to say these to me too, along side the "your momma" jokes.

"Crawl back down whatever hole you crawled out of. I'll throw in a few Mahoromatic DVDs and a whole box of Kleenex for you, too."

Wow. An intelligent finish to an intelligent post. I'm enlightened now.

Frankly Shiki, you may not be pleased with the review, and that is understandable. Overall, I did enjoy Mahoromatic. But in all fairness, with the DVD he specifically reviewed here, taken by itself, there is really no plot to speak of. The whole DVD was useless, gave no character development, and before you point out the one episode with Sugaru's grandfather, 10 minutes of something interesting (which could have been written into a later episode instead) does not excuse the other 90 minutes of mediocrity that doesn't give us anything to really enjoy other than eye-candy, so to speak.

The development of the plot doesn't keep things interesting. Though the concept behind the series is of interest, any concept that is not well built upon is usually going to be weak.

Just as a perfect example here, let's consider the concept of the romantic players:

With Chobits, you have all the romantic possibilities eliminated one by one. Unique developments and unexpected twists and turns both add something to the way the main characters actually grow, and move the plot forward at times. The same cannot be said for Mahoromatic. There isn't that much growth for Suguru, and the devices they do put in(so many girls to choose from) add nothing to his character, nor do they move the plot anywhere.

Frankly, I think Zac's take on things is there isn't really anything wrong with fanservice as long as it has a purpose in really adding something to the series. If it moves the plot forward, if it plays a role in character development, then there really isn't anything wrong with that. But if you strip the fanservice, only to realize that it didn't do anything more than drive the fetishes of those who watch it, then there really is a problem. That's the problem with Mahoromatic. While it may be in the form of the maid's outfit, she could just have easily served him in other ways. Why not as a live in tutor, who would help him to clean up (instead of clean up after him) and help him to grow as a human being rather than being in some kind of subservient position to him? Maybe if it had shown her on equal footing with him, to come along side him to help him grow instead of taking the lesser position that she did, it would have had more impact to it.

Just a thought.

"(by the way Einstein, I'm a girl.)"

Oh, right, I'm stupid because I didn't know from your genderless nick that you're female. Lemme change that, then.

"Bite me, Fangirl."

Funny how tastelessness crosses gender boundaries, isn't it?

"Number one, should it be a sexist show, why the hell does Mahoro have any say over Suguru? It's like she takes the authoritive position, banning his porn, and making sure he gets off on the right foot. She refuses to be in such situations with him. She does NOT as you say, act completely subservient to Suguru. If this was the case, I'm sure every episode would end in a porn scene with Mahoro and Suguru (the thought kinda sickens me...). "

Are you unfamiliar with the concept of subtelty? A show doesn't have to literally have graphic depictions of the subjugation of women to suggest, subversively, that women are better off being maids.

Your comment about the 9 days versus 390 days proves my point about how sexist this show is.

Mahoro, who is a woman, can only live 9 days if she takes on her mantle of power; if she becomes an aggressor, a woman doing a classically male job, her life span is shortened. If she becomes a maid, though, she can live for 390 days! So, if she becomes a subservient, second-class citizen and fills her typical female "role", she is allowed to live. This isn't sexist to you? This doesn't freaking BREATHE sexism to you?

"Oh sure. Flame me to get your point through. Yet, you bothered to respond to this post to "make me agree" with your view point. The fact that you need to start with the insults to get your point across shows the childish flames you require. Sure. Bash the person who critisizes your review. Insult his intelligence. Way to go."

Your coming here specifically to trash my review based on totally meaningless and, frankly, idiotic points is insulting to me. I insulted you back. Deal with it. Hiding behind calling me a big meanie instead of explaining yourself or answering my charge that you know precisely zip about criticism and are as qualified as my pet cat to disassemble my review does not help your argument. Answer the question and stop your whining.

"I've heard these before. oh yeah. 3rd grade kids used to say these to me too, along side the "your momma" jokes."

Right. So what do you have to say to the parts you skipped over, about you having absolutely not clue one what you're talking about? Any proof to back up any of your claims or refute mine? You don't KNOW anything about how to review something so you AREN'T QUALIFIED to make a judgement on my review being good or bad.

Yet all you can do is whine about me being a big ol' meanie.

"Wow. An intelligent finish to an intelligent post. I'm enlightened now."

Your psuedo-intellectual meaningless circular bullcrap arguments are far more insulting to the "intelligence" than my admittedly childish attacks. Your posts have absolutely no solid evidence to stand on. I said your use of the term "bias" to trash a review speaks volumes about your total lack of knowledge when it comes to media criticism. You didn't answer that charge. I assume you can't, because you probably don't even understand it.

I'm done arguing with you. Go mindlessly worship your maid-fetish cartoon and make sure to write nasty letters to critics who dare speak their opinions if they're different from yours. I know what it's like to live in a haze of my own garbage, but I can't possibly imagine how numbing it must be to live in yours.

-Z

Last edited by Shiki MSHTS on Sun Feb 29, 2004 6:40 pm; edited 1 time in total

You know... you're acctually quite funny now. I can't remember the last time I read such hypocritical trash. Let me start with the last comment first, cause it makes me laugh about how hypocritical it is.

"I'm done arguing with you. Go mindlessly worship your maid-fetish cartoon and make sure to write nasty letters to critics who dare speak their opinions if they're different from yours. I know what it's like to live in a haze of my own garbage, but I can't possibly imagine how numbing it must be to live in yours."

Right. Right. And what exactly are you doing? Oh sorry. Your using a message board. So really, you're only writing nasty posts to critics who dare speak their opinions if they're different from yours..

Right. If I'm honestly the stupid one, then why did you find it fun to flame me, based on me having a different opinion? If my post was really so immature, then why did you reply?

"Your psuedo-intellectual meaningless circular bullcrap arguments are far more insulting to the "intelligence" than my admittedly childish attacks. Your posts have absolutely no solid evidence to stand on. I said your use of the term "bias" to trash a review speaks volumes about your total lack of knowledge when it comes to media criticism. You didn't answer that charge. I assume you can't, because you probably don't even understand it."

First of all... " psuedo-intellectual meaningless circular bullcrap"? How pissed off did you have to be to think up that? Oh right. You're trying to be intelligent by using your random big words to insult me.

And the bias charge, sheesh. The reason I didn't answer it, is because the answer is plain and simply right there. You are biased against the series. Meaning despite any valid points stated, you will still hate the series. And while it's true that everyone has a bias applying to something, you have an extreme bias to Mahoromatic. Which lead towards a biased review from someone who hates the series to start with. You stated points which were completely absurd, just because you hate the series. You ought to take a class in being open minded, because right now, you refuse to be convinced of anything.

"Right. So what do you have to say to the parts you skipped over, about you having absolutely not clue one what you're talking about? Any proof to back up any of your claims or refute mine? You don't KNOW anything about how to review something so you AREN'T QUALIFIED to make a judgement on my review being good or bad.

Yet all you can do is whine about me being a big ol' meanie."

First of all, you're completely dense, pretend to be intelligent by thinking of intelligent words to flame people with. Oh. Because you're the answerman. Right. Go lick your title.

And in case you're wondering, I was critiscizing your ability to review, having reviewed before. You don't even bother to review the material to any moderate depth. You don't know the story or anything without me telling you about it. Sheesh.

Right. You judge someone on their ability to review by 3 posts on a random message board. Wow. Talk about judgement Mr. Answerman.

And oh. I'm not whining about you being a meanie. It's concept, in which someone doesn't want to drop to the offender's level by returning the offence (in this case, you flame me.)

You know, everyone else who posted (well... almost everyone =P) did so in a non insulting, non flaming way. You were the first one to start flaming me, directly insulting me because you didn't agree. Remember that.

"Your coming here specifically to trash my review based on totally meaningless and, frankly, idiotic points is insulting to me. I insulted you back. Deal with it. Hiding behind calling me a big meanie instead of explaining yourself or answering my charge that you know precisely zip about criticism and are as qualified as my pet cat to disassemble my review does not help your argument. Answer the question and stop your whining."

Mainly, because your charge that I know nothing about criticism is so absurd, it doesn't need answering. You make this charge based on a post that you disagreed on; the charge being agianst the person who did this. Bright.

And also, flaming isn't really justified, no matter how much idiotic you think something is.

Sheesh. I wasn't really expecting the oh so great Zac Bertschy to reply to this post to start with, but i thought that if he did, he'd have something remotely intelligent to say, rather than flaming all the fans of the series. In fact, that was the last thing I thought would happen, seeing that everyone on the post was being relatively clean.

Oh. now comes the good points. The obviously screwed offences against the series.

"Your comment about the 9 days versus 390 days proves my point about how sexist this show is.

Mahoro, who is a woman, can only live 9 days if she takes on her mantle of power; if she becomes an aggressor, a woman doing a classically male job, her life span is shortened. If she becomes a maid, though, she can live for 390 days! So, if she becomes a subservient, second-class citizen and fills her typical female "role", she is allowed to live. This isn't sexist to you? This doesn't freaking BREATHE sexism to you?"

Uhm. Even without her power, she acts like anything but a second-class citizen. First of all, her physical power, even without her armor, far exceed that of men. (you saw the martial arts festival episode, where she easily defeats mass numbers of men.) Also, Spoilers: She does defeat Ryuga at the end of the first season, showing her capibility is still there.

Sheesh. You really didn't watch this series at all. Mahoro's skill level with her armor and power far, by that I mean very far exceeded the power of any man or anyone. If what you say was ever the case, Vesper would have just relied on normal men to pull out all the missions. But Mahoro was extremely skilled, and acted as Vesper's Triump Card. Even without her armor or power, she still displays power which exceeds that of any man (the martial arts episode, and the last episode of the first season are displays of her power without armor or such.). Is that sexist to be already more powerful than any man, and with a few enhancements, be incredibly more powerful than any man? Your views are so dense and set that I just can't see how you could come up with this trash. Sexist? Mahoro, despite the situation, is always on top and always able. She serves people, not slave for people.

"Oh, right, I'm stupid because I didn't know from your genderless nick that you're female. Lemme change that, then.

"Bite me, Fangirl."

Funny how tastelessness crosses gender boundaries, isn't it?"

Right. I guess there are stupid guys as well.

"Are you unfamiliar with the concept of subtelty? A show doesn't have to literally have graphic depictions of the subjugation of women to suggest, subversively, that women are better off being maids."

Apparently, a lot of idiots will think everything has a subliminal message.

Hey! Did you know that in Dragon Balls Z, super sayins are really superior white blonde people who are superior to the weak inferior asians? It's true! It's what the directors are trying to get through! It's subliminal! omgomgomg.

(note: I hate DBZ still.)

Right. Make up all the crappy negative subliminal messages you want. It's your garbage. Just don't force it on us, just cause we don't agree.

*sigh*

Yeah. Okay, so apparently we can all agree that neither side will budge. It's time this thread died before we start throwing meaner insults at one another.

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