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ManSlayer07



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 1:28 pm Reply with quote
About the "tell and not show" question, John over AnimeNation got the same question and posted an interesting and pretty detailed response. I do agree with Zac though, it's embarrassingly obvious at times that it's just a way to save money. I haven't seen Noir but Tsubasa Chronicle is another Bee Train example of that (and how horrible Koichi Mashimo "style" of "directing" is...).

And on torrents, you're all doing it wrong... for new ones atleast. Razz Always wait for there to be completes and seeds and always cap your upload speed.

And I hope I never meet "that guy" but it would definitely be a very interesting conversation. Anime hyper

Berserkfury819 wrote:
Ah, the infamous anime burnout. Happened to me last year after watching too much crappy anime. I was able to recover by balancing anime out with other things like reading books and watching movies. And now I'm a hell of a lot pickier with my anime.

I not only have met "that guy," but he comes into my work place every Tuesday and Thursday, usually to bother me. Sad


That's happened to me several times as well. I've always been very picky though and I'll continue to ignore all the crap that people constantly recommend to me. Laughing
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Zalis116
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 1:40 pm Reply with quote
Big Hed wrote:
britannicamoore wrote:
Exactly. It took me 24+ hours to get one show, and I feel it just isn't worth it.
This just being my opinion, but for the fansubs I watch, torrents are the only solution. You may have to wait a little longer to download full releases of older series, but when the process is done, quality is almost always going to be better (save perhaps if you download a particularly crappy release and compare that to a particularly high-quality stream), you aren't restricted by bizarre browser/OS compatibilities, and you can watch episodes whenever you want.
I was referring to actually watching torrents (as in staring at my monitor, with the torrent client open while the little blue bars fill in), since that is what "that guy" suggested to brittanicamoore.
Truered wrote:
That guy? I kind of know of "those guys". They aren't too extreme in the unhygienic department (though a few have a gravitational pull) but ye gad do they not like dubs. I go to an anime society at my university, and if the word dub (or showing of) is mentioned about 60% of the 40-80 people present (varies all the time) clearly let their feelings out in a cascade of noise.
My anime club's like that too...unless it's the nostalgia factor of something that was on TV years ago or a show where they've been convinced the English dub is better (e.g. Desert Punk, Ghost Stories), they dismiss all English dubs as bad a priori.

EDIT: I got volume 2 of Burn-up Excess new on DVD for one cent. Shipping was 298 time the cost of the disc.

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Justy93



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 2:15 pm Reply with quote
Dragynstorm wrote:
Victor, you win for your mention of Birdy the Mighty. Oh man do I love that show and oh man am I excited for Decode. =3


Thanks, and it's my second printed answer in the page! I know that are several more classics going the "remake" deal but was very excited about the ones I wrote! Very Happy
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Mohawk52



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 4:52 pm Reply with quote
Mel Blanc did nearly all the voices for the WB cartoons.
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purplepolecat



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 7:06 pm Reply with quote
I met "that guy" in a hotel elevator at a con. My friend was cosplaying Misa, with the white blouse and red scarf. He asked her if she was cosplaying Bible Black. Fortunately she didn't know the series and didn't ask him to elaborate, but she was a little squicked out when I explained it to her later.

Anime burnout: take a break ! Remember that there are dozens of American TV shows that ARE worth watching, and are a lot easier to find on DVD or teh torrentz than anime. When you come back to anime after a break, it seems fresh and novel again.
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Top Gun



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 7:08 pm Reply with quote
I think I met "those girls" at the sole anime club meeting I attended over my four years of college a few months ago. (Apparently, our school had had an anime club for a good year or two, but because they didn't advertise anywhere, I wasn't even aware of their existence before the previous semester.) I had signed up for their mailing list at the start-of-semester activities fair, and I figured I'd check it out, just to see what it was like.

Within thirty seconds of walking in the door, two females talking rather loudly had utterly spoiled me on the most significant plot event in Death Note.

Yeaaah...understandably, I wasn't exactly happy. (And that wasn't the first time it's happened, either; I'd often had to play run-around-the-room at my video game club meetings to avoid knots of people talking about the latest Japanese episodes of series I'd only just started watching.) To add to that extremely sour first impression, we proceeded through the meeting by watching the first episode of a particular series...then immediately switching to a completely different series. (It didn't help matters that I had little desire to view either series, or any of the other DVDs they had on-hand for that matter.) Plus, though the fact that they chose to watch the DVDs subbed wasn't proof in and of itself, I had the distinct impression that this was a group that wouldn't take too kindly to the idea of watching anything dubbed. So, after the first episode of the second series was through, I made a quick beeline for the exit, and I never set foot in another meeting.

As for the comment about repetitive voice actors, I've never really minded it at all, mainly because I generally like most of the crew that gets assigned to multiple roles. I find playing "spot-the-VA" in one-off roles to be rather amusing, actually. "Hey...random Blum!"
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Ryllharu



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 10:50 pm Reply with quote
Kenotic wrote:
Something I was thinking of regarding English anime voice actors -- The US Animation scene is pretty similar.

Check out a number of the animated series through the years, there's a good chance you'll see a few names that pop up in near everything: Rob Paulsen, Tress MacNeille, Frank Welker, Nancy Cartwright, Maurice LaMarche....they're likely somewhere in your favorite cartoon.

You forgot Billy West! Wikipedia
He's practically every other character in Futurama, and far more of your favorite cartoons from the 90s than you'd like to admit enjoying.

Though it always seems like there is more variety in the Japanese dubs. Sure, there are Year(s) of Megumi Hayashibara, where she is in seemingly every series, then Yui Horie replaces her, followed by Ayako Kawasumi, then Houko Kawashima, then Mamiko Noto, Rie Kugimiya, and now Ami Koshimizu, etc....

...while Yuji Ueda plays all the male leads, then Tomokazu Seki, Tomokazu Sugita, and now Jun Fukuyama...

Wait a minute....maybe Japan just has a shorter refresh cycle.
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tygerchickchibi



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 11:04 pm Reply with quote
*pokes at above post.*

Sound like the same people to me. xD

but hearing about the dubbing being eliminated slowly is a bit depressing, though. I know people get sick of the same voices, but I don't see a big deal to switch to the Japanese audio.

...wait...That comment may bring up another pointless conversation into a fansub comparison. I digress... >.>;
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Treetastic



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 11:16 pm Reply with quote
"That guy" wears an "uke: always behind" t-shirt with his girlfriend. Yeah, my "that guy" is pretty normal. I think I'm "that girl" a lot on the internet (not that I mean to sound ignorant/prissy/rude. I'm a poor non-verbal learner...). Oh well, at least I'm not the only one. Wink

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Check out a number of the animated series through the years, there's a good chance you'll see a few names that pop up in near everything: Rob Paulsen, Tress MacNeille, Frank Welker, Nancy Cartwright, Maurice LaMarche....they're likely somewhere in your favorite cartoon.


The only one I could add to the list offhand would be Grey DeLisle, or maybe Megumi Ogata for seiyuu, but yeah. It's pretty weird when you first make a link- "oh my god, that VA was also in this... but that would mean that they're also in this, this, and this..."

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About the "tell and not show" question, John over AnimeNation got the same question and posted an interesting and pretty detailed response. I do agree with Zac though, it's embarrassingly obvious at times that it's just a way to save money. I haven't seen Noir but Tsubasa Chronicle is another Bee Train example of that (and how horrible Koichi Mashimo "style" of "directing" is...).


Interesting response. I like the fact that he gives animators the benefit of the doubt. At the same time, animation is one of the most tedious, detailed jobs around. Even with low frame rates, there are loads of time-killers that one can run into, especially on a tight schedule/budget. When I'm animating on a deadline, I use some major shortcuts where necessary, mostly to save time. Drawing eyes moving back and forth (or using still frames) is a lot easier than going through an entire line syncing mouth movements. Cost efficiency, people.
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UtenaAnthy



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 3:52 am Reply with quote
Jadress wrote:
I actually ran into "that GAL" at this comic book store once. She was overweight and had a pretty full mustache. All I did was ask if they had a particular volume of some manga series. In turn, she barely searched the shelf for the title, putting much more effort into rambling to me about anime and omigawd bishounen and basically being one of the most clingy, annoying people I've ever come across. She also wanted to exchange AIM screennames after just meeting me, seemingly so excited that she found a new friend! It was so overbearing and frightening, she basically drove me from the store. Anime cry

In other news, that bunny picture made me explode from cuteness. I can't breathe!


Well I'm female and fat and wouldn't mind growing a mustache, and I work in a bookshop and I would look for the book properly. Also ZOMG bishonen! Wink
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rti9



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 4:12 am Reply with quote
UtenaAnthy wrote:
...and I work in a bookshop...

UtenaAnthy, I was wondering if you could give us an insight to the case described by britannicamoore:

britannicamoore wrote:
She is known to read piles of manga in the store. I was trying to look for a book, when I saw her take out the infamous razor she carries. She sliced the plastic off off a book, but made a very deep gouge in the back cover.
She put the book back and took another copy.

I went to tell the cloest store employee, but they did nothing but remvoe the book. They didn't mess with the girl at all. Why? I can't figure it out for anything in the world.

She didn't mention if the girl actually buys manga, but would it be store policy not to bother such a client depending on how good a customer this person is? Are examples like this normal?
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petran79



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 5:08 am Reply with quote
Well if anime instead of a hobby turns into an obsession, it is time to stop. Better take a walk



enurtsol wrote:

This recent Bob Bergen interview sheds some light in the life of voice acting:




Does this trend occur only in the US?

In Europe the situation was different.

From what I remember in the 80s the voice actors participated both in anime and cartoons and some of them even in non-cartoons TV series and even theater. Despite that the technology was behind, in most cases they had the will to work and the result was often impressive.

They were not limited in one medium. Heidi in German is the best dub I've ever heard and it even surpasses the Japanese.

Also that does not explain why the same Japanese voice actors also participate in US imported cartoons (eg Ducktales) while the Japanese voice actors of the known series Peter Pan no Bouken, also took part in the Japanese dub of Disney's Peter Pan.

I agree too that we need new voice actors and some of them are really talented. But not with that kind of segregation.
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tygerchickchibi



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 6:17 am Reply with quote
Strangely enough...I don't think I've ever been approached by "that guy," as of yet...

I've seen them...but never was actually bothered.

Must be luck.
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UtenaAnthy



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 7:29 am Reply with quote
rti9 wrote:
UtenaAnthy wrote:
...and I work in a bookshop...

UtenaAnthy, I was wondering if you could give us an insight to the case described by britannicamoore:

britannicamoore wrote:
She is known to read piles of manga in the store. I was trying to look for a book, when I saw her take out the infamous razor she carries. She sliced the plastic off off a book, but made a very deep gouge in the back cover.
She put the book back and took another copy.

I went to tell the cloest store employee, but they did nothing but remvoe the book. They didn't mess with the girl at all. Why? I can't figure it out for anything in the world.

She didn't mention if the girl actually buys manga, but would it be store policy not to bother such a client depending on how good a customer this person is? Are examples like this normal?


I'm afraid I work in a secondhand bookshop, and in the UK too, so things are a bit different but I suppose it could have been:

they don't want to get in trouble with the girl's parents (I'm not saying she should get smacked upside the head or some shit like that, but I agree she shouldn't be in the store, she's a potential danger to others, and possibly to herself, plus if you are that keen to read a shrinkwrapped manga take the shrinkwrap off with your fingernails, it's not as dangerous as using a blade for everything one could possibly use a blade for, and it doesn't damage the book, anyway).

It could have something to do with them actually being a good customer, perhaps the profit the store makes from their purchases outweighs the damage they cause.

They are actually scared of revenge being taken if they try to take legal action of some kind and nothing changes.

I don't know what else, maybe they feel sorry for her, who knows?
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strahl



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 9:08 am Reply with quote
When I met "That guy" It was one of my most pleasant experiences, we talked so much about his experience on creating "that manga" that was great and even today I get to
re-read a few times, he was tall, bold and very humble but he was surprised on how much the fans were interested in him, I got away with a few answers about his manga (since the chances are very slim to ask in person) and for a few minutes I could do what many guys wished so much, yes, that guy that created "Rurouni kenshin"

Also, when I met "that lady" she never stopped smiling and giving thanks for her admiration, I even improv the music on her panel so she can sing the song that made her famous...that lady that lent her voice for "AH my goddess"

And finally, I will never forget the time when I met THAT GUY that made me win a bet witha friend to see what was designed first in a valkirie of macross, if it was the robot or the plane, and pleasantly..it was the robot...

That guy was the one that designed Optimus prime and the Valkirie of macross...


and so on, every convention that I go, I go to interact with These guys and to remember that there's no such thing as "anime burnout" when you get to meet "these legendary guys" that created the stuff that you love.

Long life to "these guys"
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