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| Artemis Weiss Posts: 5 |
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Because we've never seen any other decent anime turned into a fanservice collection before. If it contains anything that can be marketed to drooling fanboys, they will take advantage of it for the sake of making a bit of money. If people fall in love with a character, the companies will use that character to rake in as much cash as possible while the market exists. Discrediting Haruhi as loli/moe fodder is equivalent to saying the same of many other anime greats. It's one thing to watch an anime and take the time to give a thorough analysis of why you find it to be unattractive. If you'd care to so much as delve into the Why? of how you came to view Haruhi as "loli-moe" fodder, it might be more acceptable. At the moment, however, you're just one of those people who takes things at face value. You read in a magazine that the anime was this or that, so you skipped the whole section where you're supposed to make your own decisions. So, even if you, Mohawk, say that it's loli-moe fodder, that isn't your opinion. That's the opinion of the magazine article you read. That said, until you have your own opinion, there really wouldn't be any reason for you to participate in the discussion, and you can't have an informed opinion without watching enough of the anime to create one. Voila! Resolution achieved. Edit: In reference to your analogy, rather than eating the full course, you simply glanced at the menu before deciding on the taste. Therein we find everyone's problem with your analysis of the series. |
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Mohawk52 Posts: 3857 Location: Celebrating Lindsey Hawker murder suspect arrest, in Basingstoke, UK. |
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| Artemis Weiss Posts: 5 |
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| Because 300+ minutes of plot line and character development can easily be condensed into a 5-minute sampling that's entire purpose is to lure "typical" anime fans into watching the series... L2Market? | ||||||||||
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Fiction Alchemist Posts: 416 Location: Florida, USA, North America, Earth, Milky Way, Universe Twelve |
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| Am I the only one who has seen, in whole or in part, every title in that top ten people have been passing around in this topic (rhetorical question, by the way; I know people have, even some people in this topic)? Am I the only one who thinks Trigun is UNDERrated, as well? Maybe... Maybe.
I actually once thought that The Melancholy was a masterpiece, but my enthusiasm waned, partially because of the fetishy nature of the show. In a way, I think it's overrated for that same reason. It's not that I didn't find Haruhi and Yuki cute (Mikuru left out intentionally, by the way), but sometimes it's just SLAMMED in your face too much. They WANT people attracted to the characters, and it was the plan all along. Do know that I still really like The Melancholy (it's one of the better shows I've seen), it's just that over time, one starts to better be able to see the low points of even their favorite shows, and then decides accordingly how much worse the show is with that new knowledge. I didn't send my thoughts in an e-mail because I don't have hope of my little rants getting posted anywhere, because I don't think they're very good. Last edited by Fiction Alchemist on Sun Jun 22, 2008 4:05 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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| Mohawk52 Posts: 3857 Location: Celebrating Lindsey Hawker murder suspect arrest, in Basingstoke, UK. |
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| Artemis Weiss Posts: 5 |
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| If you talk about panty shots and bunny suits, you're just proving my point that the trailers only showed you things that the company felt would lure people into watching the show. The parts of a show that grip the audience varies from person to person. You can either like the deep underlying storyline that develops through to the conclusion of the series, or you can enjoy seeing a couple of young girls who infrequently wear scandalous clothing in spite of their surroundings. Given the current trends in anime pop. culture, however, which do you think is most likely to be marketed?
You're basing your entire opinion of a 14-episode anime series on trailers and magazine articles. If that's how you choose your anime, I would hate to see the pitiful list of favorites you've compiled. |
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| samuelp Posts: 788 Location: Tokyo, Japan |
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Okay, here's a challenge for you: When the first novel from which the anime is based is released in less than a year, go and read it. I guarantee no panty shots or pictures of girls in bunny suits... since, well, it's a novel. If you still think the story is just "moe crap" than so be it. |
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| Mohawk52 Posts: 3857 Location: Celebrating Lindsey Hawker murder suspect arrest, in Basingstoke, UK. |
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Showsni Posts: 359 |
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| I haven't seen any od the top ten...
I do like the Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya, though. I probably wouldn't call it a masterpiece, but it's enjoyable enough. I do greatly prefer the light novels, though. You can't really say Kyon's sister panders to lolicons... She's not remotely sexualised. Even Kyon's date with the ten year old Miyoko isn't really loli... |
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| Artemis Weiss Posts: 5 |
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Well, my statement about the deep, underlying storyline was more of a generalization encompassing the entirety of Anime. I'm not saying Haruhi's storyline is incredibly deep, but the point I'm trying to illustrate is essentially what you just said.
The point I'm attempting to get across is that Haruhi as a series isn't that kind of series. They simply market those parts of the series, because comparatively, attempting to convince anime fans that they should watch the series because of its layered aspects delving into theology and self-awareness is much less likely to pull their agape, drooling, cavernous mouths and lustrous eyes away from series like Naruto and Bleach, which are packed with 100% grade A crap, but contain enough moe service to earn a fanbase among "those types" as well. Marketing is important to the life of an anime. If it isn't marketed properly, even the best anime can die. That's why a lot of the best anime have yet to gain the proper recognition they deserve. Zero no Tsukaima is another anime close in nature to this debate. It contains a lot of scenes that are nothing short of perverse, because of the character types in the anime. Still, that doesn't draw away from the fact that the series stands firm as a very plot-oriented anime title. There are many other anime of the same type. Just because it's marketed as being nothing but a moe/fanservice title doesn't mean it lacks any more-worthwhile qualities. So, if you can stop defending how wonderfully mature you are for a moment and consider that you're still debating over a very immature anime, you might see the points that are being expressed here as more than just "fanboy flaming". Judgment begets judgment. |
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| samuelp Posts: 788 Location: Tokyo, Japan |
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There's no if about it, it's been licensed by Little Bear and they're putting out the first novel April 2009... http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/ I think I even read somewhere that they will probably distribute it in the UK as well. |
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| Showsni Posts: 359 |
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Though, the novel does include pictures, and some of them are girls in bunny suits... |
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| samuelp Posts: 788 Location: Tokyo, Japan |
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SHH! I almost had him! You fool! Seriously, though, it's only a small picture and it's actually quite probable the color illustrations will be left out of the US edition due to various printing issues (I think the black and white ones will definitely be included, though). Last edited by samuelp on Sun Jun 22, 2008 6:23 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Quark Posts: 332 Location: British Columbia, Canada |
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Wow, you're just the king of baseless opinions, aren't you? I think when you start hurling personal attacks at people, which may very well not be true, you've lost your battle. Not only are you totally wrong about Haruhi, which is a very charming, fun, interesting, clever series, that just happens to have fanservice in it (but seriously, what anime nowadays doesn't?) but you are totally wrong about it's fans as well. I say this as a 20-something woman in a long-term relationship, who has gotten sweet lovin', and has never wanked off to Haruhi. Why don't you go spend some time with your kids and your two cars, and stop arguing about some cartoon that you have deemed to be below you? Because, considering how much you seem to hate this show, you sure are devoting a lot of attention to it. |
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HellKorn Posts: 1384 Location: Columbus, OH |
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... Whoa, that's way off base. I, and a number of others, have seen The Melanchoy of Haruhi Suzumiya through broadcast order first and yet prefer chronological. It's a fun, well-directed and scripted anime with production values to match. Mikuru may be a big moe blob (no matter how much some fanboys want to scream for validation based on later novels), but the rest of the main cast works very well -- even better in chronological order. The novelty of broadcast order comes with the fan hype of when it first aired, and like a novelty it wears off over time. The broadcast order doesn't add anything to the narrative, period. It's an entertaining gimmick, but little more than that. The character interactions and direction are what keep me coming back to the series (already have watched it three times through), not because the fans want it to be a post-modern, ambitious masterpiece that deconstructs genres and storytelling altogether (i.e. it's no Evangelion). @Mohawk52: If the series is pure moe-fodder like you suggest, than why has it taken off so strongly and appeal to those that hate moe (which includes me)? |
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