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Xanas
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| I am happy to hear my 2nd fansub series is licensed now. (Rental Magica was the first one I started watching after Claymore ended). |
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FireChick
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| Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 6:47 am |
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| Wha? I never knew Kadokawa would get H2O! I was hoping ADV would! But oh well! I'm happy with it anyway. I stopped on episode 7 (love that episode) and haven't been able to watch it since then. |
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Richard J.
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| Crawly wrote: | | Dubs don't make people buy dvds, and for the types of titles this is happening to, which is a tiny percentage overall, the lost sales are so minimal that they don't really matter. |
Dubs raise the sales potential of anime series. They contribute to sales. The low sales potential of certain series is directly related to the fact that the anime companies are barely trying to market their product to anime fans let alone anyone else.
| dormcat wrote: | | Unfortunately that's how things work in a capitalist society. If there's profit they would do it; if there's not they wouldn't. It's just that simple. |
Actually we were talking about fans who have nothing to do with the industry presenting their opinions as facts. Plus, none of us likely have access to Kadokawa's research, so we don't know what they judge the sales potential of any of these series to be under different sales/marketing models. Short-term profit doesn't always equal long-term success.
| DmonHiro wrote: | | Sucks for dub-fans but....I don't care about them so whatever. |
And with comments like these, it should be clear why we dub-fans are getting more hostile. We're a little sick of the elitist attitude of some sub fans. |
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hikaru004
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| walw6pK4Alo wrote: | | hikaru004 wrote: | | A title about trading in the Middle Ages hardly strikes me as mainstream. |
I'm guessing you didn't watch it. The focus was on the hot naked wolf-girl, not the economics. |
I actually did watch it to the end. The focus is on trading. The girl is rarely naked and what's there wasn't commentable as it the chest portion was hidden with her hair and the lower bits are either hidden or not worth mentioning. She's also not that well endowed.
It's a slice-of-life title about trading in the Middle Ages and the relationship between the 2 main characters. It's a nice title but it's a niche and whoever gets it needs to release it in season set fashion sub only. It has Nozomi (Right Stuf) written all over it. |
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Takeyo
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| Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 9:33 am |
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| ximpalullaorg wrote: | | I'll reiterate something since no one (as usual) seems to have noticed: unless there are firm plans, dates, info, this announcemente is totally pointless. Oh yes, they have the rights, but that is irrelevant unless they offer some concrete information. |
While it's possible that the distributor(s) simply have yet to be announced, I'm thinking that this announcement may also just be an effort by Kadokawa to better protect their properties from unlicensed distribution in this region. They now have a North American company holding North American licenses for these shows, which -- as I understand it with my admittedly limited legal knowledge -- gives them much bigger fangs to go after fansubbers and Internet sites in this part of the world. |
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ac!d_pan7s
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| Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 9:50 am |
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| i hope bandai gets spice and wolf so we have a chance of getting cool extra stuff |
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CakeStealer
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| Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 9:51 am |
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| This is very exciting! However, the only title I'll probably buy off this list is Spice and Wolf. |
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Mistress9
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| Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 12:04 pm |
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| DmonHiro wrote: | From my EXP, I belive it goes like this:
Oh, and about the split opinions of Junjou, welll...duhhh: Guys - "Gross, goddamn gays", Girls: "Waahhh......hot boy on boy"...get the picture? |
Yeah your theory doesn't necessary work because the people who are giving me split opinions on it are on a Yaoi forum and so therefore regardless if they are girl or boys they all like Yaoi, so yeah your reasoning is a little flawed there. |
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kyokun703
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| Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 12:09 pm |
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| Mistress9 wrote: | | DmonHiro wrote: | From my EXP, I belive it goes like this:
Oh, and about the split opinions of Junjou, welll...duhhh: Guys - "Gross, goddamn gays", Girls: "Waahhh......hot boy on boy"...get the picture? |
Yeah your theory doesn't necessary work because the people who are giving me split opinions on it are on a Yaoi forum and so therefore regardless if they are girl or boys they all like Yaoi, so yeah your reasoning is a little flawed there. |
It might be split because Junjou isn't really that explicit. Many yaoi fans want full on nudity, glowing cones of light, etc. The sex scenes in JR (the anime, not the manga) are obviously sex scenes, but they don't really show anything. It's like a PG13 sex scene. (The manga is more hardcore R).
I like Junjou because I like the characters. They're cute and funny and actually seem to care about each other instead of just going for the down and dirty. |
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ximpalullaorg
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| Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 12:29 pm |
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| Takeyo wrote: |
While it's possible that the distributor(s) simply have yet to be announced, I'm thinking that this announcement may also just be an effort by Kadokawa to better protect their properties from unlicensed distribution in this region. They now have a North American company holding North American licenses for these shows, which -- as I understand it with my admittedly limited legal knowledge -- gives them much bigger fangs to go after fansubbers and Internet sites in this part of the world. |
They can hype/announce all they want, I do not care. Real info, not PR. They're not "protecting" their copyrights any better than before with this, since I do not see any difference from what any other company has done in the past. I'm not interested in any titles if I do not get a tentative release date and content included (price can come later). Hence, I'll stick to the much real R2 DVDs since they do not want to announce anything because of their pointless fear of reverse import (but still, they act like this announcement will change anything...It won't and it's just a total waste of time). |
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ximpalullaorg
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| Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 12:31 pm |
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| hikaru004 wrote: |
It's a slice-of-life title about trading in the Middle Ages and the relationship between the 2 main characters. It's a nice title but it's a niche and whoever gets it needs to release it in season set fashion sub only. It has Nozomi (Right Stuf) written all over it. |
What qualifies as "niche" title? Objective reasoning please (hence no comparison with certain "famous series). Niche or not, it has to be treated in a good way, there are no A or B titles, despite what ADV said in the past. |
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IDACORASKA
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| Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 12:47 pm |
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| I Can Say One Thing For Kadokawa USA; With Business Parteners Like Bandai, Nozomi & FUNimation "DON'T MESS WITH THE FIREBIRD"!!!!!! |
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Crawly
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| Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 2:49 pm |
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| Dargonxtc wrote: | Crawly:
Stereotypes are fun and all, but your also having selective thinking. It's hard to back up with out sales data, but I find it hard to imagine for years and years before everyone and there Grandma watched anime for free that scores of slow pace no hit manga shows were getting dubs and weren't making money. And now it took them 10 years to figure out they should stop. Sorry, but I don't think the businessmen are that stupid. True, the market has changed to a freeloaders market, but that doesn't mean that success stories can't and won't be made. Even if they don't fit in your neatly packed stereotypical box. |
You're thinking too narrowly and you're trying to use fansubs as a scapegoat, while not understanding that they don't have the money to gamble on something that isn't likely to be that one surprise hit. We DO know for basic fact that certain types of shows have a hard time making money. Most losses have been offset over the years by sales from other, better selling titles, but with license and production costs skyrocketing, this became harder and harder to do.
Take a look at the companies we have today that are actually doing well - Viz and Funimation. Now compare the number of shoujo/slice of life titles in their catalogs with the number of shounen/action/boob! titles. Which ones were released in their entirety and which ones were pulled without being completed? See a trend? Now take a look at Geneon and ADV, who were releasing the majority of the titles most people say have a very limited audience, and it hurt them big time. They've flat out said those titles don't sell well. And they do tell us when sales are weak. You're just not seeing any of it apparently. |
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Mistress9
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| kyokun703 wrote: | | Mistress9 wrote: | | DmonHiro wrote: | From my EXP, I belive it goes like this:
Oh, and about the split opinions of Junjou, welll...duhhh: Guys - "Gross, goddamn gays", Girls: "Waahhh......hot boy on boy"...get the picture? |
Yeah your theory doesn't necessary work because the people who are giving me split opinions on it are on a Yaoi forum and so therefore regardless if they are girl or boys they all like Yaoi, so yeah your reasoning is a little flawed there. |
It might be split because Junjou isn't really that explicit. Many yaoi fans want full on nudity, glowing cones of light, etc. The sex scenes in JR (the anime, not the manga) are obviously sex scenes, but they don't really show anything. It's like a PG13 sex scene. (The manga is more hardcore R).
I like Junjou because I like the characters. They're cute and funny and actually seem to care about each other instead of just going for the down and dirty. |
Really? Then I will more then likely like the anime for some reason when it comes to anime I seem to like the more fluffy cute stuff instead of the more hardcore stuff. Well actually I like both but I find the hardcore stuff is usually better in Manga then anime. Also not every anime has to be like SP...not that I don't like that one because I do, but I find that with anime BL is better then Yaoi. I am weird I guess. So I for one will be picking this title up, unless the art is really ugly. |
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Crawly
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| Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 2:56 pm |
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| ximpalullaorg wrote: | | Niche or not, it has to be treated in a good way, there are no A or B titles, despite what ADV said in the past. |
A title = Naurto, will sell lots of copies and make lots of profit on merchandising, dvd sales, and tv runs.
B title = Not Naruto, will sell moderately well, no merchandising, no tv deal, relies solely on dvd sales to make a profit, will likely make back licensing and dubbing costs
C title = Definitely not Naruto, big gamble to even take on this title in spite of vocal but small fanbase. May not even make back licesing and production costs. Do we take a chance of going in the red even further by dubbing it?
You may not want to think about it, but there are different tiers when looking at a title that have nothing to do with the overall quality of the show. Doesn't mean they shouldn't be treated well when they're brought over, but reality says not all shows are going to make the same amount of money and therefore a C tier title probably won't get the pretty gilded box with all the physcial extras that an A tier title will. |
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