Forum - View topicNEWS: Diesel Brand Describes Nitta Tracing Issue as Tribute
|
Goto page Previous 1, 2, 3 Next Note: this is the discussion thread for this article |
| Author | Message | |||
|---|---|---|---|---|
tygerchickchibi Posts: 795 |
|
|||
| I was hoping they kind of thought of it that way.
Publicity or not, I never really thought of it as a copyright infringment tracing. For the most part, I guess it's just the body, everything else is detailed and drawn in on her own. Yeppers, that's all. I guess I support tracing to an extent. It works for little kids. >_>; |
||||
|
||||
FeralKat Posts: 258 Location: Los Angeles, CA |
|
|||
| Wow. Just wow. I looked through that website. Almost 60 instances of tracing. She seemed to be a decent artist so why would she have to copy ads and photos in the first place? =/ She's luck she got away with a slap on the wrist and resigning... Kudos to Diesel for being the bigger person(?). | ||||
|
||||
| xanderion Posts: 9 |
|
|||
| Feeling down again. I've read somewhere that Diesel actually replied in Japanese to the matter on 2nd July, saying "they don't care". It was before Youka Nitta admitted her fault on her blog. So Diesel taking it well doesn't change Youka Nitta's present situation.
________________________________________________ お問合せありがとうございます。 お問合せいただきました雑誌媒体に関しましては、 弊社は全く関与いたしておりません。 上記は55DSL 2007年秋冬キャンペーンに使用されていた広告の デザインに類似していますが、キャンペーン広告そのものが 使用されているわけではございませんので、現状、弊社といたしましては、 具体的な対応はいたしかねる次第でございます。 この度は、ご連絡をいただきまして、まことにありがとうございました。 これからもDIESELをよろしくお願いいたします。 _________________________________________________ Can someone translate please? Or is it just the same message as in their 55DSL blog? |
||||
|
||||
Teriyaki Terrier Posts: 1610 Location: Chihuahua Island |
|
|||
Well that explains why Disel Brand isn't as angry as one would think they would be. However, this is doesn't mean what this person did is right though. Copy rights are there for a reason. |
||||
|
||||
Celes Posts: 216 Location: Columbus, OH |
|
|||
| Wow, I looked at almost all of those tracing examples, and some of them are remarkable copies, right down to the wrinkle in the outfits...
I really think she needs to take this break and recharge her creative batteries or something. Holy plagiarism batman! I can understand tracing if you are an amateur artist and not a pro. When I used to draw I would constantly just take things out of my Yuu Watase artbooks and replace the characters in them with my own or with characters I was doing fanart of. But I know now that if I tried to sell that as my own that I would get busted big time and that it's wrong. I don't know why people don't think this is a big deal. Kudos to Diesel for seeing that she didn't mean them harm, but still...I can't believe some people on here are still actually defending her. |
||||
|
||||
Cait SubscriberPosts: 312 |
|
|||
| Well, it's good for Nitta that Deisel doesn't care, but it doesn't mean what she did was okay. You're supposed to get permission before you use someone else's work, not after you get caught at it.
It also doesn't mean that any of the other copyright owners of the pictures she copied have to be or will be okay with what she did, nor that it justifies any insistence that this issue is "no big deal." Seasoned artists should be the ones leading by example, and Nitta failed at that until she admitted her fault and resigned from manga. Her self-exile is still the right course of action. People keep talking about "downtime while they wait until the scandal blows over." That's sort of irritating as it suggests that Nitta and her publisher are being ingenuine with their actions. Have we really become so apathetic as to not only deny any wrongdoing when obvious wrongdoing has occurred, but also refuse to accept the apology and resignation of one of the greatest BL mangakas in our time? |
||||
|
||||
CCSYueh Posts: 1913 Location: San Diego, CA |
|
|||
I'm confused. Of the first 25 comparisons. 9 are pretty blatant copies & she has no excuse, but the other 16 have a lot of variations & changes to where they might have been used as basic inspiration, but enough else looks like her own. Set 2-seen that pose a millions times. The uke is placed differently(not covered in cream also) & the clothes are different. I would think it's ok. The line art the site placed on the ad highlights this. On 3 the hand over the eye seems the only real steal. If I saw this, I wouldn't think twice because it is a pretty standard yaoi pose (couple wrapped around one another glaring at the "camera"). 7 it's basically the pose because she's moved it to a bright desert shot instead of the dark stormy original. 16 in particular I bet I could find that pose in Cabaret or a Marlena Dietrich movie. And 19, give me a break. Are they sure they got the right shot because Nitta's couple's pose is pretty generic--yeah I've seen similar many, many times. So yeah, 9 out of the first 25 are no excuse. but the other 16 I can see her confusion. Some are clothes like Lips from Rocky Horror. I wouldn't think twice if that showed up in a Spiderman comic on a t-shirt. I could see her considering it not unlike artists posing in a studio so the issue is were they actually traced or drawn free hand (althought the lines are different enough she either changed them or re-drew the proportions for her guys.) Yeah, Lips is a copyrighted image, but I don't think the owners (20th Century Fox, is it?) would complain considering what's in the movie. Nitta might if someone told her cannibalism, rape, incest, murder...I know I'm missing stuff (Obviously need to pull it out again). And a rip of Frankenstein. |
||||
|
||||
mufurc Posts: 472 |
|
|||
I just woke up so don't trust me, but basically they say that they're not planning to take any actions since the actual ad itself is not involved.
I can't. They're still obviously traced, fully or partly (and in some cases I think she simply copy-pasted parts of the original images, see for example this one), and even when they're not traced, they're too obviously referenced. So she added some variations of her own - that doesn't make it right to call them her own works. I mean, what if I copied Nitta's artworks, added some touches and whatnot, and sold them as my own? Fandom would excommunicate me and Libre would sue my pants off in a matter of minutes. So how is it okay if Nitta, an established mangaka does the same? Also, one or two slightly referenced images wouldn't hurt anyone, but so many? Again, this may not be a big deal in the US but Japan takes these things very seriously, and I simply can't believe that Nitta didn't know about that, what with all those tracing/copying scandals going on (Kayono, the whole Slam Dunk issue, etc.). And even if she didn't, she still loses my respect for the "I didn't know it's a crime" thing. |
||||
|
||||
bradc Posts: 17 Location: Aizen's Pants |
|
|||
| Let's just hope she learns her lesson from this and not just slap on the wrist; if she plans on coming back 2-3 years from now after her resignation after this plagiarism. All eyes will be on her, including her fans that she might have lost more than a dozen handful. | ||||
|
||||
kirbyboy102 Posts: 156 |
|
|||
That's so funny! Like, every image she drew was a copy. 
I hate tracing, however. It's like... If you're gonna draw, at least come up with *somewhat* original poses. |
||||
|
||||
sunflowerSubscriber Posts: 301 |
|
|||
No kidding. There was one fan artist a couple years ago basically drummed off a couple of the big fanart/BL sites for using poses from one BL mangaka to draw fanart for another, with fewer similarities than we see between Nitta's drawings and these ads. I wouldn't be surprised if that was by some of the same people who are now blithely supporting what Nitta did. |
||||
|
||||
| bradc Posts: 17 Location: Aizen's Pants |
|
|||
Nitta is quite a photocopying machine.. I don't agree either with tracing unless it's a blueprint or architectural work that needs the tracing outline; or a child at a young age learning how to draw. But this is artwork viewed on professional level here... I would think she would have been more creative and innovative with her characters than copy-copy, and just paste on her own character heads onto the body. |
||||
|
||||
| CCSYueh Posts: 1913 Location: San Diego, CA |
|
|||
What is it with you? All Americans aren't represented by the comments of one or 20 people on a board. Am I to decide you represent all your nation? Is anyone else here saying any one poster's comments represent anything beyond that person's comments? I'm also almost 50. Do my comments now represent all middle-aged people to you? BOrn in SoCal, so now my opinions represent all of California? In fact, there are those who'd discount all comments by Californians. We're crazy according to a lot of the rest of the US. We elected Ronald Reagan & Arnold Swartzenegger as Governors. And I've grown up with the image of the artist suddenly spying something & being inspired to draw it. I don't care if it's in real life or a picture. Artists draw what inspires them I happen to believe there's nothing new under the sun. Everything's been done before. All the poses anyone could ever be drawn in have been drawn. You want all artists to be totally original? Impossible. The Kama Sutra seems to nail a good number of poses in itself. The translation I saw on one of the websites (& they all seem to be the same pix) said these were people guessing at pix-not the actual pictures necessarily. THe blatant ones are probably the only sure things. That Brad Pitt shot happens to be a position I've seen too many times to remember. Probably lain in it myself. I know I saw my husband in that pose. It's as common as dirt, sorry. How can one copyright positions? Ooo, Calvin Klein owns that pose & you get sued for standing in that position? Don't think so. Authors often draw on personal experiences. How do you know events in any particular book isn't taken practically verbatim from an incuident in the author's life & thus isn't "original" to the author's imagination? And at least one of the companies doesn't care. I'd gamble a lot of the ad companies don't care because ads are about exposure & this is just more exposure. I don't see how Brad Pit would care. |
||||
|
||||
| xanderion Posts: 9 |
|
|||
| I think that Brad Pitt picture can pass as reference. At first, I saw a certain resemblance if you only look at it in term of a generic pose. But nothing too critical as the arm is not exactly disposed as in the photo, nor the head. Just like the vast majority of the picture of the verification site, they are acceptable referencing.
But then, when I look at the illustration more closely, I know it's the Brad Pitt picture and not some random other photo she choosed as reference because of the creased of the pillows and some of the sheets which are just too close to the photo to be pure coincidence. I still think this one can pass as referencing but a less indulgent mind would see it as a copy. And I wouldn't tell that person he's wrong because I can also see his point. |
||||
|
||||
| bradc Posts: 17 Location: Aizen's Pants |
|
|||
Japan has a strict copyright law; nothing new here... Is not about copyright positions, but taking the ads certain part of pictures and claim as her own in her own drawing it into her own style, even she could have used as reference, but not photoshop copy and paste onto her own drawings. Rather than using her own creativity and innovative ideas as artist to draw them; she has the skills and hones them. Why isn't she using it? The human brain can do wonders with creativity and innovative ideas; or even reinvent them, as the human body can bend and shape into many poses and positions. I don't think you want to buy the two different poster with the same pose? I would overall say Nitta was lazy on her artistic scale of the end. |
||||
|
||||
 |
All times are GMT - 5 Hours |
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum |
Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group
Anime Castle
Robert's Anime Corner Store
AAA Anime Distribution
Big Bad Toy Store
