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jsieczka
Joined: 19 Jul 2008
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Location: Rochester, NY
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 Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 9:52 pm |
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| Top Gun wrote: | | Seriously, I'm trying to think of the last time I've read intelligent criticism of [as]'s programming choices outside of their own forums, and I can't come up with anything. Anime fans are usually the worst offenders, since so many of them seem to have this idea that it's their God-given right to watch copious amounts of anime on the lineup. People, [as] is not an anime network; it is a network that just so happens to include varying amounts of anime within it. Anime has never been, nor will it ever be, the block's primary focus. The sooner you accept that, the happier we'll all be. |
When Adult Swim first started in 2001 the programing was 3 to 1 in house work to out of house. At the time the block was great from top up. It wasn't till the anime crazy started in 2003 or so that they added large sums of anime. For 2 to 3 years they showed tons of anime, the end result, poor ratings. Some of the shows had worse ratings then infomercials. Adult Swim as well as every other group learned that the consumer demand for anime was not as high as the fandom was. What we are seeing now is a controlled growth, showing titles that have the best chance of turning profits. For all that do not remember when anime was an ultra niche market(90's) we were happy to see any anime on TV, now people seem to think anime is huge, it really isn't. Now as for the William street shows I'm really not that impressed with the new ones in comparison to the first generation. |
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TheHTRO
Joined: 20 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 5:43 am |
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| BellosTheMighty wrote: | | TheHTRO wrote: | Many of you have expressed how "excited" you are that this show is airing on "[adult swim]".
However, in a hypothetical scenario, let's say this show was announced for Toonami (or better yet, the main Cartoon Network itself). How would you all react then? |
We'd be glad to be able to see it. Why wouldn't we be? |
Because for all I know, you would be (with all due respect) complaining about how the show would be "butchered" to death and all that sort of stuff (and let's not bring Naruto into this, because that's something else entirely).
In any case, I'll be more direct. What exactly does this show have that would require an [adult swim] airing? In other words, why can't it be edited for a Toonami showing? |
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maaya
Joined: 14 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 10:18 am |
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I don't know about Toonami and their targeted viewership. But Guardian of the Spirit isn't the kind of show that really needs editing for violent content or anything that could insult a certain part of the viewers (religions references f.ex.). It's not a Shonen series all about fighting like Naruto, D Gray Man, Claymore etc nor one of those overly violent adult series. Of course, it depends on the person doing the editing, but I can't think of a lot of scenes that could be "butchered".
I can only guess that GotS might be a bit hard to follow at times. Precisely because it isn't all about fighting, but there is a lot of dialogue, where you have to pay attention to what they are saying.
Anyway, in Japan GotS is re-aring on NHK educational (the channel that aired Denno Coil), so it's considered "of high educational value"  |
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braves
Joined: 29 Dec 2007
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Location: Puerto Rico (but living in Texas)
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| Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 4:24 pm |
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| BrothersElric wrote: | | malik_chan wrote: | | To those who want Claymore and D.Gray-man... you'll get those shows if the [AS] staff likes them. |
Claymore I highly doubt we'll get to see on [AS] unless they're willing to edit out the nudity. Basically, I think the only channels we're going to be most likely if at all to see pick it up would have to either be okay with editing a little nudity or okay with showing it. I personally prefer the former, but eh, whatever.
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I think that if it ends up on [as], they'll just blur the nudity out. Which is what they did for Code Geass with Kallen's shower scene. If [as] can have a show about a talking butt, then I guess it wouldn't be that much of a problem to show blurred out nudity. |
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BellosTheMighty
Joined: 27 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 5:19 pm |
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| TheHTRO wrote: | | BellosTheMighty wrote: | | TheHTRO wrote: | Many of you have expressed how "excited" you are that this show is airing on "[adult swim]".
However, in a hypothetical scenario, let's say this show was announced for Toonami (or better yet, the main Cartoon Network itself). How would you all react then? |
We'd be glad to be able to see it. Why wouldn't we be? |
Because for all I know, you would be (with all due respect) complaining about how the show would be "butchered" to death and all that sort of stuff (and let's not bring Naruto into this, because that's something else entirely).
In any case, I'll be more direct. What exactly does this show have that would require an [adult swim] airing? In other words, why can't it be edited for a Toonami showing? |
Not ME, I'd be the one yelling at those idiots to shut up until they actually SEE the series. Then after they did, I'd be the one yelling that they were making mountains out of titties, or whatever it was. Seriously. Ask anyone here, they've all seen me do it. 
Really, I think the significance of stateside editing is vastly overblown. The story is the important thing, and the story, despite what you hear from the angry fanboys, is generally left alone. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that I have NEVER seen a poor script or BS&P dustup ruin an otherwise good series. Most of the dubs you hear people complaining about either became popular regardless- which suggests the complainers are blowing things out of proporation- or the original series wasn't any good to begin with. And when a good series does fail, you can usually make a much stronger case for the problem being poor scheduling, mismarketing, or plain lack of viewer interest then any changes to the actual script.
Yu-Gi-Oh! is one of the most extreme examples I can think of. It starts out reasonably good- in fact, for all it's shonen genericness, I quite liked the Duelist Kingdom arc. But by the midpoint of Battle City it's gone to hell. Merchandising takes over, the series bogs down into amounts of padding not seen in even the worst parts of DBZ, and the storyline degenerates into a pile of dog doo. It eventually becomes apparent that the writers only have three or four major plot twists, only one of which is applicable during a fight, and they run them all into the ground. The plot also tries to get darker and serious, with the result that it becomes incredibly overblown.
And if you asked any fan back in those days what was screwing the series over, their answer? Airbrushed cleavages and 007 death traps edited into magical portals. It's like that line from the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: "It's fundamental flaws are completely concealed by it's superficial flaws."
See, now that immediately above is exactly what I was talking about further up.
But as to why Moribito couldn't be aired on Toonami- well, I don't know the series, but from what I've heard and seen so far, the answer is: demographics. Toonami skews generally young- their best stuff is quite enjoyable for adults, but they're generally aiming at a teen/older teen audience. That's why a lot of toynime and fun-but-generic shonen winds up there. AS attracts an older and more sophisticated crowd, not that you'd know it from the people who talk loudly about the lineup on message boards. So they air more mature, sophisticated stuff. So if you wonder why a given show lands on one block instead of another, I find most of the time the answer is that it would fit in better with the shows in that block. |
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samuraiwalt
Joined: 06 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 7:58 pm |
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| It 's been over a week and it's still not showing up on the [AS] schedule yet. |
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the_seventh_l
Joined: 26 Jul 2007
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Location: Florissant, MO
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| Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 8:03 pm |
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| samuraiwalt wrote: | | It 's been over a week and it's still not showing up on the [AS] schedule yet. |
Well, that could just be them being lazy. It's not like Moribito isn't going to air . . . righT?  |
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