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tygerchickchibi



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 3:00 pm Reply with quote
Exactly. Look at some of the live action adaptations in Japan. No one looks exactly like their anime counterparts... >.>;;

*sigh.* I don't even know why they even brought his surname up to debate.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 5:44 pm Reply with quote
tygerchickchibi wrote:
Voice actors use their VOICE, and not their image, and trust me, No one looks anything like the characters they portray... >.>;

This whole racial debate is starting to become a little more than uncomfortable.


Just from a few pics I've seen of Beau Billingsea sitting at a table during a con, if you cut his hair right and gave him the metal cheek/eye piece, he would look very similar to Jet - other than being darker - than David Lucas looks like Spike. Much, much moreso... Now, it is true that VA's use their voice, but many also do live action work, and while I've never seen any of Beaus' live action work, the thought of Clancy Brown, who voiced Lex Luthor from the Superman series of the 90's until the Justice League Unlimited series a few years ago, with a shaved head as Lex Luthor in a Superman movie, would certainly be worth looking at.

In summary, often times, the VA looks nothing like the character he/she does, but every now and then, they get pretty close.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 6:14 pm Reply with quote
This movie has lot of potential. I could see it as hit or a flop. It all rests in Fox's hands now. I am bit surprised that Fox decided to buy rights for this since Speed Racer was such a big flop. I look forward to any updates.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 9:01 pm Reply with quote
Deity wrote:
tygerchickchibi wrote:
Voice actors use their VOICE, and not their image, and trust me, No one looks anything like the characters they portray... >.>;

This whole racial debate is starting to become a little more than uncomfortable.


Just from a few pics I've seen of Beau Billingsea sitting at a table during a con, if you cut his hair right and gave him the metal cheek/eye piece, he would look very similar to Jet - other than being darker - than David Lucas looks like Spike. Much, much moreso... Now, it is true that VA's use their voice, but many also do live action work, and while I've never seen any of Beaus' live action work, the thought of Clancy Brown, who voiced Lex Luthor from the Superman series of the 90's until the Justice League Unlimited series a few years ago, with a shaved head as Lex Luthor in a Superman movie, would certainly be worth looking at.

In summary, often times, the VA looks nothing like the character he/she does, but every now and then, they get pretty close.


I meant in terms of the thought of bringing voice actors as their anime counterparts in a live action adaptation. I know that they do live action work. I've seen Beau in The Blob. xD

I've also seen him as the grandfather in Nickelodeon's Just Jordan, which was airing last year, i think. But, because of age differences in the voice actors and the characters they portray, along with other circumstances...yeah, that's going to involve a lot of special make up effects.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 2:37 pm Reply with quote
Hon'ya-chan wrote:
And you refuse to understand the visual fact that Jet isn't Black. Superman isn't black, Batman isn't black, so why mess with established canon?


Seriously, I think you're totally missing the point of pretty much everything I've been trying to say here........ Rolling Eyes Why not mess around with established canon when this particular established canon has absolutely no importance, or even relevance for that matter to anything whatsoever? I've reiterated this point with you I swear time and time again throughout the duration of this argument, and you STILL don't seem to get it. Why are you still claiming that I won't acknowledge the visual fact that Jet isn't black when it should be clear how perfectly well I know that he isn't, considering all that I've been saying about how unimportant I think the issue is, you know, all that talk about it only being a difference between 99% accurate and 100%? And also, shouldn't the fact that I don't care about skin color, only the ability to play the role actually support my side of the argument instead of yours? So why did you even bother to say what you did in that sense?

Sanosuke32 wrote:
Are you people saying Jet should be black because Beau Billingslea is black? Lol, cause I think thats accounting for a lot of you. If Spike were casted as a black man, I think you'd have a problem with it even if he was a good actor. Not because he's black, but simply because the character we all know and love is NOT and has never been portrayed as black. I think you can see him as black because of his last name Wink and because even though he's not really a big part of the series, he's that character that just sits there and is all tactical. If you notice, he does not do a lot of action in the series, and in the movie he only threw one punch, and that was at the very beginning.


abynormal wrote:
If they're going to cast Jet as a black man, then I think they'd do it simply for racial balance. It's a fact of life that minorities are pretty much required to be represented in American media, and if anything they'll cast a black man as the grizzled old man for the movie. I seriously doubt they'll cast an Asian woman as Faye (considering how pale her skin is in the series), and possibly cast a hispanic girl for Ed.

Fact is, if you're looking for a perfect film adaptation of the series you're going to be let down. Changes will be made, and the racial makeup of the cast is only one of them.


Once again, I reiterate:

I earlier in this post wrote:
Seriously, I think you're totally missing the point of pretty much everything I've been trying to say here........ Rolling Eyes


Now are we done with all this racial talk? Like tygerchickchibi said, this is starting to make me feel very uncomfortable as well. And it doesn't help any that all you morons who are saying stuff like this can't seem to comprehend a single thing I'm trying to say..... Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 11:41 pm Reply with quote
how the hell am I being racist? I'm simply saying that if Spike were black, you would bitch as well, not cause of the color, but because we've known Spike to be white all this time as well as Jet. If they were originally portrayed as black, then so be it, I would've been fine with that. It'd be like having the big shot guy as white.
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BrothersElric wrote:
Now are we done with all this racial talk? Like tygerchickchibi said, this is starting to make me feel very uncomfortable as well. And it doesn't help any that all you morons who are saying stuff like this can't seem to comprehend a single thing I'm trying to say..... Rolling Eyes


You know, we both seem to agree on this but I have to say, If this is making you so uncomfortable and mad that you have to call people names then maybe you should just drop it.

You haven't exactly managed to pick up on what they're saying either. It's not that people are so hung up on race or anything. It's just that it would be a major change to the appearance of the character. You could also say: hey, lets make Spike 5'1" and give him long blonde hair. You probably wouldn't want to do that though even if it allowed for an actor better for the role.

I agree it wouldn't be that big of a deal for Jet to be black, so it would be worth it for an actor better for the role. However, there is certainly validity in not wanting the character significantly changed.
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Hon'ya-chan



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 5:07 am Reply with quote
BrothersElric wrote:
Why not mess around with established canon when this particular established canon has absolutely no importance, or even relevance for that matter to anything whatsoever?


Because how can you mess with an already perfect masterpiece? Your suggesting a change that drastically changes a characters appearance in such a way, it's not Cowboy Bebop anymore. It's akin to suggesting Bai Ling should be Faye Valentine.

Ever wonder why people hold the anime series dearly? Ever wonder why adult swim continuously airs the show to jump the shark milestones? I hate it too, but that doesn't mean it deserves being raped by Hollywood.

How did that saying go....3 customers tell 3 other people...3 angry customers tell 3,000?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 6:09 am Reply with quote
Hon'ya-chan wrote:
BrothersElric wrote:
Why not mess around with established canon when this particular established canon has absolutely no importance, or even relevance for that matter to anything whatsoever?


Because how can you mess with an already perfect masterpiece? Your suggesting a change that drastically changes a characters appearance in such a way, it's not Cowboy Bebop anymore. It's akin to suggesting Bai Ling should be Faye Valentine.

Ever wonder why people hold the anime series dearly? Ever wonder why adult swim continuously airs the show to jump the shark milestones? I hate it too, but that doesn't mean it deserves being raped by Hollywood.

How did that saying go....3 customers tell 3 other people...3 angry customers tell 3,000?


*rolls eyes.* That is the problem. Whether it is"raped" by Hollywood or not, will that make a huge impact on the way you view the series? What may be a perfect masterpiece to you isn't going to be the same for anyone else. Cowboy Bebop is ALWAYS going to be Cowboy Bebop. You may not like it, but for real, There hasn't even been any talk of cast yet, and assumptions are being made.

Most are whining before anything has happened yet. I guess it doesn't even give you a bit of incentive that they are working with the Japanese to make the movie? Next to that, it's assumed that the Hollywood producers now may not know anything about the anime, or have the spirit of the anime that the fans do. It's not impossible, they could know a lot more of the series than you think.


If "black" is a scary way for the character to be significantly changed, then hell, just don't watch it. But it's becoming kind of a lost cause to keep ranting about it any further, I believe that you said what you had to say and so did everyone else... Too much speculation, I guess. I can't assume that they'll make such changes and I can't say that the won't...but we won't know now.

What I don't understand is why no one makes a deal about appearance of live action Japanese shows, when they don't even look like their ANIME counterparts. xD

Point is, I love the series to death, and just because you can't accept certain changes, doesn't mean a person's fandom is less significant than your own. ^^; So perhaps this whole argument is pointless? Can it stop now?

Oh, there's a way you can delete your post, you know. Just click the box that says "delete this post," and poof, it's gone.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 7:52 am Reply with quote
tygerchickchibi wrote:
What I don't understand is why no one makes a deal about appearance of live action Japanese shows, when they don't even look like their ANIME counterparts. xD


Japan is superior, ergo, they win by default. Razz
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 5:43 pm Reply with quote
ikillchicken wrote:
You haven't exactly managed to pick up on what they're saying either. It's not that people are so hung up on race or anything. It's just that it would be a major change to the appearance of the character. You could also say: hey, lets make Spike 5'1" and give him long blonde hair. You probably wouldn't want to do that though even if it allowed for an actor better for the role.


You see, that's just the thing, I've picked up perfectly fine on what they're trying to say. They want this to be portrayed 100% perfectly instead of 99% perfectly, I get it. And that's exactly what I'm rolling my eyes about. And this example of whether or not I'd be pissed at Spike being 5'1" with long blonde hair is just another reason for me to believe that no one is getting at all what I'm trying to say. If you could get a guy that looked every bit the same as Spike with the one exception being that he's of a different race, I'd be just fine with it. THAT'S what I'm trying to say. Ving Rhames not only could pull off the performance that well, but I could also see him looking like Jet almost to perfection, with the color of his skin only being a minor difference.

Hon'ya-chan wrote:
Because how can you mess with an already perfect masterpiece? Your suggesting a change that drastically changes a characters appearance in such a way, it's not Cowboy Bebop anymore.


What, so Jet being black despite the fact that he fits the role in every other way (looks included) and despite the fact that the rest of the movie is portrayed practically to perfection somehow all of a sudden makes it nothing like Cowboy Bebop? I'm not saying that it needs to be messed around with at all, I'm just saying that if a black guy who fits the role in pretty much every single other way plays him, it's not going to ruin the movie at all. Hence all my 99% instead of 100% talk.

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Ever wonder why people hold the anime series dearly? Ever wonder why adult swim continuously airs the show to jump the shark milestones? I hate it too, but that doesn't mean it deserves being raped by Hollywood.


Did I ever say I didn't like it? I may not think it's the greatest masterpiece of all time like everyone else seems to, and I may be perfectly fine with the movie being portrayed 99% perfectly instead of 100% perfectly, but that doesn't mean I hate it. In fact I actually like CB quite a bit; as an excellent, honorable mention favorite. I just don't think that one little itty bitty minor change qualifies as Hollywood "raping" it.

tygerchickchibi wrote:
So perhaps this whole argument is pointless? Can it stop now?


Yeah, actually, I think you're right. Anime smile + sweatdrop Pretty much the only purpose I have for fighting back here is me trying to defend my speculation, which yeah, is all it really is in the end, just a speculation. And I think it's quite obvious neither of us is going to change the opinion of the other or anything like that, so yeah, might as well just swallow our stubbornness and drop it.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 8:22 pm Reply with quote
Hon'ya-chan wrote:

Japan is superior, ergo, they win by default. Razz


*hopes that sarcasm was detected.* xD
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 2:27 pm Reply with quote
[quote="tygerchickchibi"]Exactly. Look at some of the live action adaptations in Japan. No one looks exactly like their anime counterparts... >.>;;/quote]

You make a good point. I remember the first time I dl'd a live action version of Great Teacher Onizuka. I was so disappointed that Onizuka didn't have orange hair. It felt so wrong...
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 8:25 pm Reply with quote
LOL. I could've sworn he was a blond. *checks DVDs*

...Yep, he is. xD I own the LA movie on DVD.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 4:58 pm Reply with quote
Keanu Reeves allegedly tagged as Spike in the film.

http://www.firstshowing.net/2008/07/30/rumor-keanu-reeves-as-spike-in-cowboy-bebop-movie/

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Can we give him a chance in Cowboy Bebop?


No. End of Discussion.
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