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kokuryu
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 Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 1:56 pm |
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| undeadben wrote: | | My biggest problem with Crunchyroll is that no matter how many companies sign up, they are still running an illegal streaming service. |
Crunchyroll has the rights from the rights holders to allow the viewing of the fansubs that are on display there. Any titles that the rights holders do not want viewed have been taken down, including titles from Gonzo, ADV, Media Blasters and more. Crunchyroll is NOT engaged in illegal streaming - all of the videos that are streamed on their website are LEGAL. That's the difference. People complain saying what they are doing is illegal - but they have the legal documents to back up what they allow. So don't bash Crunchyroll - applaud them for doing the right thing.
Gonzo especially would NOT be partnering with Crunchyroll if they were NOT legal. They have made their position on piracy extremely clear and continue to re-iterate that they will not do business with companies that promote it. |
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Onsokumaru
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Location: New York
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| Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 2:00 pm |
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| Hey geniuses, if you want to make money, get a better site so we can watch our anime in various formats. Crunchyroll is just crap. |
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Kireek
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| Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 2:22 pm |
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| kokuryu wrote: | | undeadben wrote: | | My biggest problem with Crunchyroll is that no matter how many companies sign up, they are still running an illegal streaming service. |
Crunchyroll has the rights from the rights holders to allow the viewing of the fansubs that are on display there. Any titles that the rights holders do not want viewed have been taken down, including titles from Gonzo, ADV, Media Blasters and more. Crunchyroll is NOT engaged in illegal streaming - all of the videos that are streamed on their website are LEGAL. That's the difference. People complain saying what they are doing is illegal - but they have the legal documents to back up what they allow. So don't bash Crunchyroll - applaud them for doing the right thing.
Gonzo especially would NOT be partnering with Crunchyroll if they were NOT legal. They have made their position on piracy extremely clear and continue to re-iterate that they will not do business with companies that promote it. |
I like this guys posts when he trolls about CR |
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melonbread
Joined: 09 Jan 2008
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Location: UK (London)
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| Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 2:24 pm |
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| I really couldn't care less about digital distribution anymore. I want to buy physical media. |
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undeadben
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| Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 2:33 pm |
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I wasn't going to come back to this topic but...
| kokuryu wrote: | | Crunchyroll has the rights from the rights holders to allow the viewing of the fansubs that are on display there. Any titles that the rights holders do not want viewed have been taken down, including titles from Gonzo, ADV, Media Blasters and more. Crunchyroll is NOT engaged in illegal streaming - all of the videos that are streamed on their website are LEGAL. That's the difference. People complain saying what they are doing is illegal - but they have the legal documents to back up what they allow. So don't bash Crunchyroll - applaud them for doing the right thing. |
Is this really what people think? That is so sad.
I was ranting but I wasn't ranting without reason, all I did was state the obvious. I'm sorry I upset you, but that site does not have the rights to stream ANY anime that are not listed in this news article. I will not applaud illegal streaming of illegal subs for profit.
CR knowingly do not proactively remove files they have no rights to until asked to do so. It's not that they have the rights to them, it is that they hope they can get away with streaming shows illegally without being told to stop. It's the old "I didn't do it, if I didn't get caught" way of thinking. And when they do get caught a show gets removed and a barrage of comments reading something like: "zomg y it licenced" (an actual quote) and 20 to 30 other comments between the community advising each other where they can still watch the show free [illegally]. In other words not really looking to spend any money.
Ok, now I'm really done with this topic. I've wasted enough of my time making comments that, in the long run, will not make even the slightest tiniest difference.
| Kireek wrote: | | I like this guys posts when he trolls about CR |
That was a troll? Now you tell me. Was he being sarcastic then and I took it wrong? |
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Kireek
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| Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 2:38 pm |
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Yes undeadben he really does not mean it he's caught me out before by saying that  he does acctually hate crunchyroll and he knows the site is illegal he's wound me up before as I say |
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undeadben
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| Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 2:52 pm |
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| Kireek wrote: | | Yes undeadben he really does not mean it he's caught me out before by saying that he does acctually hate crunchyroll and he knows the site is illegal he's wound me up before as I say |
Oh, then he got me too. I suppose that's what I get for not paying more attention to posts in the Talkback section. Well, it is funny now that I know it's a troll. I won't go back to edit my post, it took about a good 10 minutes to write. I even had to go through crunchyroll to find one of the more nonsensical comments to quote, though that part didn't take long at all. |
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hikaru004
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| Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 3:05 pm |
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| 4.3 million users is a little hard to argue with. With ADV and Media Blasters on board, CR will probably become more legit with time. |
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Clodus
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| Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 3:21 pm |
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| hikaru004 wrote: | | 4.3 million users is a little hard to argue with. With ADV and Media Blasters on board, CR will probably become more legit with time. |
I think theres some truth to what you say but the main reason why CR even got popular to begin with was because of a wide selection of illegal fansubs. Take that away and you only have a few legitimate videos. By the time, they do become completely legit. All the studios would have already gave them permission to stream their shows. |
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johjohz
Joined: 12 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 3:47 pm |
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Why do you guys even care about the copyright infringement at crunchyroll?
Are you jealous or something?
Why so serious?
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Daimao Raki
Joined: 03 Jul 2008
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| Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 4:25 pm |
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| johjohz wrote: | Why do you guys even care about the copyright infringement at crunchyroll?
Are you jealous or something?
Why so serious?
btw "(pictured at left)" <-- there's nothing at left. |
Anime Companies aren't getting the cashflow they deserve for their work. I actually want them to get paid so they will have the desire to make more great anime.
| melonbread wrote: | | I really couldn't care less about digital distribution anymore. I want to buy physical media. |
Yeah, it's kinda hard to show off your fansubs to guests that come over. |
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johjohz
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| Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 4:41 pm |
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and don't forget that even without crunchyroll, copyright infringement will find a way.
and the less known streaming websites will be well-known eventually.
many streaming sites have more anime than crunchyroll anyways. |
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Kireek
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| Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 4:45 pm |
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| johjohz wrote: | and don't forget that even without crunchyroll, copyright infringement will find a way.
and the less known streaming websites will be well-known eventually.
many streaming sites have more anime than crunchyroll anyways. |
Thats true but how many of them profit off it?? I think thats the bigger gripe |
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Goodpenguin
Joined: 02 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 5:03 pm |
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GDH is no surprise as they been in 'business' together awhile, ADV is not really a surprise as they seem to be to going through some very tough times and will probably take a stab at anything to get some momentum. I am surprised by Media Blasters though. John Sirabella has had not-so-glowing things to say about Crunchyroll specifically in the past, and of course about fansub/downloading in general. Media Blasters has always put emphasis on 'fan support', and not only have I bought a ton of their stuff (mostly non-anime cult movies) over the years, I've also purchased a good amount of material I wasn't particular crazy about just to essentially 'vote with my wallet' in support of future releases.
By pulling an abrupt about face and jumping in with exactly what they were complaining about for a good while, Media Blaster's makes me feel a bit foolish for my 'don't really want it but here's to company support' purchases. I really enjoy a lot of what Media Blasters puts out (huzzah for Shaw Brothers movies) and hope this move works out in the long run, but just from my particular perspective, as a long-time fan/heavy purchaser, I'll be buying a lot less of their stuff, not more. |
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superdeformed
Joined: 05 Oct 2003
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Location: New Orleans, LA
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| Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 5:11 pm |
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Crunchy Roll has a built in audience and an actual marketing plan.
The cost for ADV, Funi, or anyone else starting such a site up would be monstrous and will take months or even years to get it established. Where as Crunchy Roll is up and ready to go and they can start making money now.
Think about the cost of bringing something like Crunchy Roll online. The scaling up of the servers and data centers to the actual software development. This is not some dinky website running on a $4 a month GoDaddy account. A website running streaming video for a user-base of over 4 million people it is a major undertaking.
So should an industry strapped for cash start up something completely new costing millions and take it's precious time developing software and building up an audience while on it's knees or should they go with something proven to work with a huge audience that they can start generating revenue today?
It's really a no brainier.
So should people not go to Las Vegas because it was started by the mafia? Are you people forgetting this is all business and not an Ethics 101 project? Hell this very country was started by an Illegal act.
The real world is very gray so stop the whining and be happy that the industry is finally starting to listen to the fans. |
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