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NEWS: Crunchyroll to Add Gonzo, ADV, Media Blasters Titles


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Kireek



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 9:31 am Reply with quote
Turkishproverb wrote:
Wow. This thread has inspired me.

I'm definitely going to start working on a response to answerman's newest question.

You guys are exactly what bugs me most about modern anime fans.

For all the problems the industry has, and has had, acting like fansubs and Crunchy roll in particular are the freaking Antichrist of the industry, the chief cause of the fall of companies, is just so simplistic. And yet modern anime fans act like high and mighty Sages discussing why fansubs have ALWAYS been a problem and anything associated with them should be lawsuit material. I haven't watched a show fansubbed in a long time, and freely admit the flaws in a system that uses such tools, but even I can tell the various reasons the modern fans outlook on subs is simplistic enough to make me giggle and retch simultaneously.


Its not fansubs people have a problem with its crunchyroll themselves that people don't like even other fansub groups hate crunchyroll
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Takeyo



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 9:41 am Reply with quote
Actually, there is a pretty strong sentiment among some people that fansubs have had a negative impact against the anime industry in recent years. The issue with CR is that it is actually profiting from its unlicensed videos (and is now even being legitimized by the industry against which it's been competing).

As far as fansubs having "always" been a problem, I suspect most people familiar with their history would argue that back in the VHS days, they played an important role in popularizing anime in North America.
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Beruda



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 10:43 am Reply with quote
I don't really care for the layout of their site. I don't see much if any information about the site, how to watch some of these licensed video etc. When I clicked on the about tab, there was some stuff about, this site is hard to classify or something like that and pictures of sushi rolls. It just seems like the site is set up very unprofessionally. It makes me wonder why legitimate companies would put their products on the site. I wouldn't mind seeing some anime in this way but I don't feel to comfortable with looking at them on Crunchyroll.

Maybe this is not possible but I don't see why the companies can't get together and put together a legitimate site to stream their content. Or at least affiliate themselves with a legitimate streaming site.

From what I've read hear obviously others have these concerns.

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Conan-san



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 1:42 pm Reply with quote
I just want the first view; I'll sooner stop watching thems cartoons from Japan than risk buying an awful show with a good trailer.

Which, Ironicaly, is ever the threat with Gonzo's shows.
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mufurc



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 1:55 pm Reply with quote
Beruda wrote:
Maybe this is not possible but I don't see why the companies can't get together and put together a legitimate site to stream their content. Or at least affiliate themselves with a legitimate streaming site.

Legitimate streaming site like... what? Youtube? Veoh? Very Happy

They're allying with Crunchyroll because that's where the people are, and as with Youtube/etc., the people are there mostly because of the illegal content. Sure, they could put together a legitimate site, but that'd require some very costly PR and you can bet that even with heavy advertising it'd have only a fraction of hits that Crunchyroll gets in every minute. I suppose they're simply turning a blind eye at the fansubs and whatnot because they realize that right now it's in their own interest to do so.

ETA: I just went and checked out Crunchyroll for the first time... and it seems that aside from Druaga and Brassreiter, all the legitimate content is North America only. I suppose this is where the rest of the world shrugs and goes back to downloading fansubs/DVD rips.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 4:49 pm Reply with quote
Conan-san wrote:
I just want the first view; I'll sooner stop watching thems cartoons from Japan than risk buying an awful show with a good trailer.

Which, Ironicaly, is ever the threat with Gonzo's shows.
They should put the motif, "Yes, I hates Gonzo" under your site name. Laughing
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hikaru004



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 7:28 pm Reply with quote
mufurc wrote:
ETA: I just went and checked out Crunchyroll for the first time... and it seems that aside from Druaga and Brassreiter, all the legitimate content is North America only. I suppose this is where the rest of the world shrugs and goes back to downloading fansubs/DVD rips.


But Egg Man will have a world-wide release so you should be able to see the trailers for that one. That one looks interesting by the way. Like The Silence of the Lambs.
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PopcornHime



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 7:46 pm Reply with quote
Ok I've seen some posts about the Crunchyroll's name.

Why is it so bad? Just because it's an anime streaming site it has to have some "anime name" to it. What ever happened to uniqueness? Isn't that what anime stands for?

Also they've tried online manga but didn't work, but when I checked back, they partnered with Udon.
They're gonna get manga, too...
And what about live action dramas?

EDIT: I'm also a member of Crunchyroll.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 2:50 am Reply with quote
Turkishproverb wrote:
Wow. This thread has inspired me.

I'm definitely going to start working on a response to answerman's newest question.

You guys are exactly what bugs me most about modern anime fans.

For all the problems the industry has, and has had, acting like fansubs and Crunchy roll in particular are the freaking Antichrist of the industry, the chief cause of the fall of companies, is just so simplistic. And yet modern anime fans act like high and mighty Sages discussing why fansubs have ALWAYS been a problem and anything associated with them should be lawsuit material. I haven't watched a show fansubbed in a long time, and freely admit the flaws in a system that uses such tools, but even I can tell the various reasons the modern fans outlook on subs is simplistic enough to make me giggle and retch simultaneously.


You will find that very few fans actually think fansubs are satan incarnate period with no exceptions and anyone who watches them should be sued. You will find even fewer people that think fansubs have always been bad. I would concur that those people are being very shortsighted. However, I would say it's pretty foolish as well to complain about "modern anime fans" for something only a tiny fraction of people actually do.

PopcornHime wrote:
Ok I've seen some posts about the Crunchyroll's name.

Why is it so bad? Just because it's an anime streaming site it has to have some "anime name" to it. What ever happened to uniqueness? Isn't that what anime stands for?

Also they've tried online manga but didn't work, but when I checked back, they partnered with Udon.
They're gonna get manga, too...
And what about live action dramas?

EDIT: I'm also a member of Crunchyroll.


Actually, I think only one person complained about the name and even that wasn't because it didn't have anything to do with anime. Plus I think he was joking. People don't like it because Crunchyroll is a website that turns a profit off of pirated content.
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Kireek



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 5:28 am Reply with quote
PopcornHime wrote:
Ok I've seen some posts about the Crunchyroll's name.

Why is it so bad? Just because it's an anime streaming site it has to have some "anime name" to it. What ever happened to uniqueness? Isn't that what anime stands for?

Also they've tried online manga but didn't work, but when I checked back, they partnered with Udon.
They're gonna get manga, too...
And what about live action dramas?

EDIT: I'm also a member of Crunchyroll.


Well because basically 99% of the stuff on there is illegal and they make money from this illegal act. If you are a anime fan put a bit of money towards the industery instead of donating to this lot (not saying its you specificaly that donates) They come across as if they have no money to run the website but this is not the truth. They take your donations and put the money in there back pocket.

(Imagine you gave some money to a charity hospital and the guy collecting kept all the money for himself you waoul be annoyed no?)
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 8:27 am Reply with quote
You are just worrying to much for the industry. Rolling Eyes They know what they are doing Laughing Laughing

Quote:
Japanese Anime Studio Embraces YouTube Pirates

Animation producer Kadokawa thinks it has more to gain than to lose by allowing its content to be shared for free on the Net

Last May, when Kadokawa Holdings released The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya on DVD in the U.S., fans of Japanese animation swarmed shops in Los Angeles and other cities. For months, Kadokawa, a Tokyo publisher and TV and movie distributor, had dropped hints about the anime's imminent overseas release on a Web site. But other than that, it did almost no advertising. It didn't have to. The company merely tapped into the huge following Haruhi Suzumiya already had on YouTube (GOOG) and other video-sharing Web sites.

http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/content/aug2008/gb2008085_543162.htm?chan=top+news_top+news+index_global+business
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Top Gun



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 2:19 pm Reply with quote
ikillchicken wrote:
Actually, I think only one person complained about the name and even that wasn't because it didn't have anything to do with anime. Plus I think he was joking. People don't like it because Crunchyroll is a website that turns a profit off of pirated content.

Actually, I wasn't really joking when I said I thought the name was flat-out stupid. Razz (Seriously...nothing to do with either anime or streaming video at all. And a crunchy roll of what? An egg roll? A stale Fruit Roll-Up that's been in the back of your closet for two years? The mind boggles...) But that's far from the reason that I actively dislike them. It is rather troubling to see a site that illegally profited off of other people's already-illegal work be embraced by certain segments of the industry, no matter how popular it is. I don't really care if they're trying to "go straight" now; the fact remains that they're primarily a fansub-streaming service. And I really don't know why the industry would bother targeting the mentally-challenged, 13-year-old weeaboo archetype that seems to make up so much of that site's audience.
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samuelp



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 2:27 pm Reply with quote
FYI: a crunchy roll is a particular kind of maki sushi that's mainly popular in the US, I think (it may have been invented there, too, but don't quote me on that).


To quote from wikipedia:
A crunchy roll is typically a California roll with shrimp tempura wrapped inside with the other ingredients, with the outside of the roll coated with fried tempura batter crumbs. It is often topped with sweet eel sauce or chili sauce.


So actually the name is sort of appropriate. The idea, I think was that it was to take a Japanese thing and turn it into something distinctly western... i.e. turning sushi into a fried snack.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 4:03 pm Reply with quote
I...see. Guess it makes sense that I've never heard of that, since I've never partaken of sushi. Well, that's slightly better, though no one's going to convince me that it's a good choice. Not that it matters; "a skunk by any other name" and all that.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 6:12 pm Reply with quote
I'm potentially interested in Kaleidostar and Girl's High as these series have never been released on DVD in the UK, but I'd still prefer to give my money to Bost, and if I could find a cheap set to import for a similar price I'd rather do that anyway.. still, if it is streaming for free I might take a gander.
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