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geishageek Subscriber Posts: 225 Location: New York (at the hell I call work) |
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What constitutes as large? What you think is large and what I think is large may be two completely different numbers. Of course if its popular it has more exposure in mainsteam areas and more fangirls. A less popular show has less exposure and therefore typically less fangirls. It does not take the fangirls to make it popular. It just comes with being popular. There are plenty regular male/female and occasionally female/female pairing for popular series as well. And I agree with Gatsu. Fangirls here do not equal fangirls in Japan. It also has to do with the age demographic. Most American yaoi fangirls are still little girls between the ages of about 11 and maybe 16 or 17. An age where everything is "exotic and forbidden" when it comes to anything yaoi related. It's basically porn and its treated the same as back in the day when little boys used to hide their porno mags under their beds so their parents wouldnt see it. Most parents do NOT know what their daughters are reading. The risk is what makes fangirls so outragous. Last edited by geishageek on Tue Aug 12, 2008 2:37 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Tomibiki Posts: 158 |
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| I always thought yaoi fangirls, as rabid as they can be, were still the minority. | ||||
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Teriyaki Terrier Posts: 1609 Location: Chihuahua Island |
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| Wow this converstation went from Fist of The North Star to yaoi fan girls. Since we are the topic though, I don't think the yaoi fan girls are the back bone of any series though.
The actual fans of the series are though. Yes, there will always be people who will imagine the "possibilities" of a series, but that doesn't really make them a back bone if you ask me. |
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mrsatan Posts: 199 Location: Olympia, WA |
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I'm somewhat of an expert on Fist of the North Star; here's my take on what might turn the US audience off, from the US audience perspective: 1) Awful, unintelligible translation of the 1986 movie 2) Awful live-action movie 3) The first story arc of the anime version is a filler-laden mess. The US release also changed all the music to cheap, bad techno. 4) Extremely expensive colorized Raijin graphic novels. |
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mufurc Posts: 472 |
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| No, no. It's the yaoi fangirls' fault. Don't try to confuse us with logic.
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kaizen-dono Posts: 336 Location: NE England |
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1) Awful, unintelligible translation of the 1986 movie[/quote] I really like the movie dub all the yin yang and pendulum stuff in the opening sequence I think is a lot more interesting than the original script. I liked shins apocalypse speach too some of its just good for laughs as well e.g. roahs sudden outburst of "DO YOU SMELL IT REI THATS THE SMELL OF DEATH" is hilarious and linns "keeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen" in a voice clearly 20 yrs too old  |
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| GATSU Posts: 8412 |
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AWO:
Probably YuGiOh. There's yaoi for it, but that's not the factor in its success. satan: No, I think the Streamline dub of the movie helped the series, since no one-outside of importers and proto-fansubbers-had even heard of it until then. The techno and live-action flick did admittedly suck, but what probably hurt the tv series was the way the violence was toned down for kiddies. That, and all that extra G.I. Joe crap they inserted in the story. The Raijin colored novels were no more expensive than Berserk, but had awful distribution. |
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| Alucalb Posts: 137 |
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I think at least the manga could be successful if given another chance by the right publisher, like Dark Horse (older readers might dig this series more than Jump fans).
$17.95 US was pretty pricey. |
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| fighterholic Posts: 9194 |
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In order to really bring Fist of the North Star back into light over here, somebody is going to have to relicense it and do everything as it was meant to be. I don't however, see that happening. I love the series. A pioneer for shonen manga, and had me reading it non-stop. Congrats to Yuria and Ken  |
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Shadowrun20XXSubscriber Posts: 908 Location: Las Vegas ~Hardcore Otaku |
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| Same here,congrats Ken and Yuria.
spoiler[ I liked the end of the first series where Ken picks up Yuria and rides off on Black King,just leaving behind Bart and Lynn without another word.] Good times. |
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| GATSU Posts: 8412 |
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| Al: Ok, not much more expensive. But unlike those Bandai Visual dvds, you actually got your money's worth out of the manga. | ||||
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| mrsatan Posts: 199 Location: Olympia, WA |
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That is probably true. But the translation is horrible and dishonors the source material. Carl Macek should have, for example, left in the part that explains why people's heads explode. He also changed it so that the Fists of North and South weren't martial arts, but some sort of title that everyone inexplicably fights for. To this day elitists turn up their noses at the whole property because of Streamline's nonsensical dub, wrongly believing that the whole thing is just about big dumb thugs cracking skulls. And BTW, this show has female fans (in Japan at least) because I've met them. |
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ScottGreen Posts: 20 |
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| I'm sure that many manly tears will be shed, but in terms of machismo gone awry, I don't see this approaching the Grappler Baki manga in which the title character consummates his relationship with his girlfriend. | ||||
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| GATSU Posts: 8412 |
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| Scott: He still has something left to be able to do that? |
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toddc Posts: 67 |
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This is all true (and the Streamline dub is hilarious), but I think the real reason that Fist of the North Star isn't big over here has to do with it not hitting the U.S. in the '80s. Back then, the playing field was so undemanding and un-ironic that you could still put out a violent, one-dimensional action series and get young viewers hooked. If someone had dubbed, edited, and aired Fist of the North Star alongside He-Man and Thundercats back in 1985, there would be a bedrock layer of now-grown fans buying it uncensored on DVD today and flocking to the new movies. After all, much of the series' popularity in Japan is driven by the people who watched or read it when they were impressionable pre-teens. But it's too late for Fist to have that sort of traction over here.
Good Lord. It's bad enough that American anime fans hurl around the uninformative, demographics-based classifications of Japan's manga industry. Now we're inventing our own haphazard slang that must be explained each time we use it. I certainly do think that the proto-seinen yandere of Tezuka were less moe-moe than the doujinshi-friendly neo-shonen Bleach and Negima, with their oppaionna and meganeshota and lolinekkos! To quote (and censor) the never-safe-for-work Ecchi Attack, "We've got this secret language down so tight that half the time we don't even know what we're on about." |
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