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Lackshmana



Joined: 31 Jul 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 7:57 pm Reply with quote
Ill never understand the lack of respect that Suikoden III gets on the internet.

Hands down the most critically acclaimed game in the series and the last truly successful game in the series, yet it is constantly criticized and insulted.

Tactics was a decent apology for the relatively underwhelming 4th game, but 5 was a meaningless rehash of elements from 1 and 2 with terrible pacing and an awful ending. Even then though, it was still better than many other games in the genre.

Compared to other rpg series I would say that Suikoden has been fairly consistent in its quality, varying only from average to excellent but never particularly bad.
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nobinobita



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 8:42 pm Reply with quote
belvadeer wrote:
Oh. My. God. I just remembered how very briefly I played Keith Courage back in the ancient past. Anime hyper


I was a kid in Taiwan when that came out and YES i DID love it!

I thought it had the coolest sprites and robots. It's not the most colorful, gradient shading heavy game out there, but I still think its quite a beautiful game. The Anime it was based off of is quite fun too.

It had a very cute/cool art style that is not very common anymore. It was recently referenced in Gurren Lagaan in the design of the Gurren and the design of the Gunmen, Big Head enemy robots piloted by beastmen.

I remember getting some big laughs out of seeing the Americanized "Keith Courage" comic, starring a muscley fully grown man.

Actually wait, I was too young to enjoy the "unintentional" comedy of it, actually it just made me confused and angry!
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Shale



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 11:27 pm Reply with quote
Hunter Sopko wrote:
Why do people like the original Suikoden so much? It's an alright game, but it's so utterly bland, even for it's time. It EXCELS at being average. I mean, it's better than some of the other early PSX offerings ::ShudderBeyondtheBeyondshudder:: but rose colored glasses clearly distort the memory.

How anyone could put it in front of Suikoden 3 is beyond me.


You beat me to the punch here, although I can't comment on the third game, having been put off the series altogether by 1 and 2. They're not offensive or anything, but I'll never understand lavishing so much praise on something so generic.
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GATSU



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 12:55 am Reply with quote
I'm guessing people like the original Suikoden, because it didn't let them down like FF7. Rolling Eyes
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Sydra



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:17 am Reply with quote
To be honest I prefer Suikoden 3 over the others (the coming together of the allies is better with the conflict between them). I like my main character/s to be more developed. 1 was just too underdeveloped for my taste. 2 seems to be the favorite of most fans, I enjoyed it but I put it at the same lvl as 5 (mostly because there are characteristics of each that I like better than the others, I enjoyed recruitment in 5 much more than 2 for example).
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dangerwhat



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 12:50 pm Reply with quote
wow, everyone here is really into Suikoden, huh? I feel left out xD

Yeah, Keith Courage was a lousy pack-in game. Oh well. They probably felt that a platformer was warrented given the somewhat platformer nature of other companies pack-ins at the time - or something. If the Turbografix-16 seems not more powerful than the NES, you're not far off. Part of the systems failure, as I recall, was a marketing campaign that effectively lied saying that the Turbografix-16 was more powerful than the NES (or whoever they were bashing) when in reality, it was not at all. It just had a different graphics chip or some such so it looked somewhat better, but it wasn't actually more powerful that the NES at all, in truth.

Like many things, the Turbografix-16 - known was the PC Engine there - did better in Japan. Some of the games were fun. But the system was pretty much doomed, it seems.

I want to see that Anime now xD

Honestly I whould hope that Top Secret: Hitler's Revival whould come out on the Virtual Console so the unedited game can be enjoyed, as it were but I'll settle for Bionic Commando for sure. I don't think the ending is what is holding them up. Its probably CAPCOM and Nintendo not agreeing how much it'll cost to license it or however the Virtual Console games work. Ok, while the Gameboy Color Bionic Commando was not nearly as good as the NES version, I didn't think it was THAT bad. Besides, Sniper games were all the rage then right? So I forgive it a little. I didn't think the arcade game was that bad either but I'll certainly agree that its nothing nearly as exciting as the NES sequel.
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toddc



Joined: 23 Jul 2007
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 5:04 pm Reply with quote
nobinobita wrote:
It had a very cute/cool art style that is not very common anymore. It was recently referenced in Gurren Lagaan in the design of the Gurren and the design of the Gunmen, Big Head enemy robots piloted by beastmen.


That's one connection I forgot to mention. Gurren Lagann gave me more than a few Keith Courage flashbacks.

Shadowrun20XX wrote:
This remake couldn't be as bad as the GBC sequel. Confused You couldn't give that game away.You also mentioned the terrible arcade game too.I swear the level designs of Bionic Commando and Strider were just thrown together with no logic to be had.Like one of the designers snuck into one of Capcom's meetings,and stole all the rough drafts and ideas that were thown around and put it together overnight.Classic games,horrible level designs.


Have you ever tried Bionic Commando for the old black-and-white GameBoy? It's often overlooked in favor of the NES game, but it's very impressive and has a more futuristic, anime-ish style.

Ah, Strider for the NES. Such a fascinating little mess. I'd really like to read the manga that inspired it.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 12:07 am Reply with quote
GATSU wrote:
I'm guessing people like the original Suikoden, because it didn't let them down like FF7. Rolling Eyes
It's because Suikoden cleansed what that piece of crap Beyond the Beyond bathed in during the launch waters.(You are not E,you remember.) Beyond the Beyond sucked so bad. Mad Let's never mention it again.The RPG I looked forward to after Suikoden was Vandal Hearts."Ahhh",that's better.

GATSU:FF7 was a RPG noob gateway mini-game,IMO Laughing .It lacked any sort of difficulty whatsoever.(still part of my old collection though.) I wouldn't compare it with Suikoden.

toddc wrote:
Have you ever tried Bionic Commando for the old black-and-white GameBoy? It's often overlooked in favor of the NES game, but it's very impressive and has a more futuristic, anime-ish style.
I have good sir.I really enjoyed the GB version.It's the GBC version I wish I never played.

toddc wrote:
Ah, Strider for the NES. Such a fascinating little mess. I'd really like to read the manga that inspired it.
I liked all the Strider incarnations except Strider II on genesis.The NES one was messy,maybe Capcom was testing out that level selection on Strider(NES) before using it on Ducktales.An Arcade port would have been hilarious on Nintendo,I would still like to see that.

I tried,but was never able to get a hold of the manga.I would love to own it.I kind of fear looking at auction sites as I would go broke real quick from retro goodies.


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Shale



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 12:55 am Reply with quote
FF7 was too easy? Well, yeah, but in comparison to Suikoden? The only thing hard about it was the party-member scavenger hunt.
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