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ilkz



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 12:52 am Reply with quote
what's the flake saying, I can't understand their language! And google translator doesn't help. Some one please translate it into human language.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 1:04 am Reply with quote
Fronzel wrote:
Does anyone really think Perfect Blue is great?

It's pretty good for one of those psyche-thriller murder mystery jobs, but great?


Yes. Kon has admitted himself that there's some things about it that embarrass him, but it's still a very effective psychothriller.
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geopgeop



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 1:10 am Reply with quote
Hmm, I was wondering if anybody knew that they could actually try out a Naruto vs. Luffy match... by playing Battle Stadium D.O.N of course! Includes Goku as well.

Yay: (brightly-colored) ninjas (where's the stealth?) versus pirates (including one who can't swim)... versus space alien, uh... monkeys, somewhat derived from Chinese legend, and so on. It's like um, canned sausage, canned SPAM®, and canned sardines, all chopped up, mixed in a bowl and eaten with rice! (For the record, I actually eat it like that. Tastes good, IMO.)

Now, if they would only ever release this game here in the States...
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 1:33 am Reply with quote
A single episode of anime is worth exactly the expense it took to produce it. Whether the expenses be in animation, writing, music, or voice acting.

That's how much it's *worth*. Another question is, how much it should cost? The cost of the episode can be calculated like this: P should be equal to the amount of people who would like to see the episode and would pay it. The cost of the episode should be the worth divided by P.

Of course, every episode of anime has a different "per person cost"...could be 10, 5, 2, or 30 dollars, depending on how spectacularly done or niche it is. But it's important to point out what the cost is determined by: It's not determined by what "I" want to pay for it. It's determined by external factors, of studio expense and market appeal.
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Twilightmaster



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 1:55 am Reply with quote
Hm... maybe I spoke slightly uneducated in the fact that I didn't really look into yaoi/yuri to see just what kind of content it portrayed, and for that I should apologize for throwing all the yaoi fans into the same stereotype. Though in my own defense, I wasn't really looking to read enough yaoi to form a solid basis... so let's call it a willing ignorance. Very Happy
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Akukaze



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 1:55 am Reply with quote
Fronzel wrote:
Does anyone really think Perfect Blue is great?

It's pretty good for one of those psyche-thriller murder mystery jobs, but great?

I did.

One thing about Yuri manga: most Japanese yuri manga is not aimed at men at all. Rather, it's aimed at essentially a subset of yaoi fandom. Eiki Eiki and Taishi Zaou are probably the two most prominent yuri artists right now, and they both have worked on yaoi manga for years before branching out. CHI-Ran is another example, though she is (they are?) not as iconic in either genre.

There are "shounen yuri" series, and most of them make it stateside (Kashimashi and Strawberry Panic made it over with little delay). There are also pornographic "lez" comics which aren't to be confused with yuri.

The "shoujo yuri" titles that you see in Yuri Hime, which I also happen to adore, aren't really that viable in America. They're already a subset of a subset in Japan in that they are too girly for most men, and they don't appeal to most women because there is no man involved in the romance (i.e., no "bishies"). The last nail in the coffin is that most yuri "series" are very short and don't allow for any buzz to build up around them before they're over.
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Big Hed



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 2:09 am Reply with quote
dtm42 wrote:
To everyone who thinks that Gurren Lagann will beat Unit 01: you're wrong. Unit 01 could just revert Simon/Kamina/any human you name into spoiler[LCL], and I'd love to see the Gurren Lagann fight without a pilot. Besides, the only thing capable of penetrating a full-strength AT Field (like the one spoiler[Unit 01] had in episode spoiler[19]) is the Lance of Longinus. Last I heard, Gurren Lagann didn't have that particular weapon in it's arsenal.


Ok, time pseudotechnical nerd mode is now on.

Gurren-Lagann spoiler[does have an AT field equivalent. In fact, all of the mech's energy is derived from the pilots' souls. It's how Lagann fuses with anything, it's how the factories within Dai-Ganzan -- and later Chou-Ginga, etc. -- violate the basic laws of thermodynamics (conservation of mass and energy most obviously) by making weapons and spare parts out of nowhere, and it's how Tengen Toppa is capable of achieving mass on the scale of entire galaxies -- not to mention move incomparably faster than c -- without tearing space time to pieces. Further proof is found in how Gurren-Lagann is capable of near instantaneous repairs when fused (episode 7 I think, can't remember exactly though), and in Lagann's severely reduced capabilities after Simon gets his heart broken (hell, it even show's up on Lagann's diagnostics) over Yoko and Kamina.]

Unit-01 has some similar capabilities to Gurren-Lagann, but on a much smaller scale. Not to mention, Evas are not exactly cooperative machines all the time. Wink

As for how much a single episode of anime is worth to me? Dunno, I'd have to think a fair bit on that...
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 2:19 am Reply with quote
ilkz wrote:
what's the flake saying, I can't understand their language! And google translator doesn't help. Some one please translate it into human language.

I can understand the gist of it, and it's not worth the time to translate. But how funny is it to see someone being illiterate in two languages? Eh?
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dewlwieldthedarpachief



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 2:21 am Reply with quote
penguintruth wrote:
Hmm, Batman does always win. DC's writers have been accused of making him "Bat God" in the past. Of course, Superman still whomped him hard when Maxwell Lord controlled old big blue. Left deep thumb imprints in him, even.

As for how much I think an episode of anime is worth, monetarily, it's at least worth as much as it is in Japan. We're fortunate to pay so little for anime in R1. Though you sort of have to factor in the quality and pace at which we recieve it.


Actually Batman gets his ass handed to him by Spawn if you caught that one. There's even a miniseries where Superman has to take on H.R. Giger style aliens and though I didn't follow it through the first part has him pretty messed up.

When it comes down to it though, I reckon someone as downright creepily humanoid as Mickey Mouse harbors enough evil within him to mutilate even the greatest of champions. I think if you go that far, your only recourse is getting pink Luigi from Super Smash Bros. Melee. Super. Duper. Gay.

If you could condense the homosexuality of Luigi, additionally fueled by his special attire, you would have enough energy to rid humanity of disease AND make Berserk season 2. Twice.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 3:07 am Reply with quote
Zac wrote:
dtm42 wrote:

Kind of boring column this week. Where's the controversy?


Sorry hang on just a second


one sec sorry just a moment

OK ahem uh LOLICON IS FOR CONVICTED CHILD MOLESTERS BLAH BA DE BLAAAHHRRRGGHH

Can I be done now? I'm in the middle of watching convention coverage.

I thought moving to Japan would insulate me from US politics, but goddamn MSNBC's international live streaming coverage!

It wasn't helping me get over my cold.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 3:45 am Reply with quote
I fear Satoshi Kon. It's why I haven't actually seen any of his movies. Just look at his picture I'm terrified that if I see one and don't like it, he will use his massive psychic powers to obliterate me from existence and don't say he wouldn't even know because he knows all.

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As for the brazen yaoi fans, not only are they emboldened by the community, but yaoi in general is less pornographic than standard hetero porn; most of the popular titles focus a lot more on story, characters, and romance than just endless panels of man sex (although those titles certainly do exist and are popular as well). So as a whole it's more "defensible", I suppose, in the minds of many because it simply isn't as commonly explicit.


I think that's sort of the key. Despite what a lot of people think, the majority of Yaoi and Yuri is not pornographic. That is the mistaken assumption the person who asked the question made. If it were, I think that Yuri might be more popular because statistically, guys are probably more interested in porn than girls. However, in reality since Yaoi/Yuri are much closer to romance girls are statistically more interested in them.

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How much do you personally believe a singe episode of anime is worth and why?


That's a very complex question that I can only answer with another question: Which anime, what kind of anime, and what form (buy or rent) am I paying for it in?

I'm willing to just buy most OVAs and movies to own for 20-25 bucks unless I'm really unsure I will like them and then I usually just don't see them. There's a pretty good chance I will watch them again unless I totally hate em and I'm not really committing myself to buying any subsequent volumes.

I'm willing to buy a few series at that price per DVD If I'm pretty certain I will at least really like them. If I'm sure I'll like em but not how much I don't want to pay more than boxed set price to own. Some I don't want to own at all initially. If I'm not sure if I'll like something, I want to see it first for free. It's not so much that I am unwilling to pay anything at that point but that system of payment leaves me in a bind if I decide I do want the DVDs after.

After I do see something, If I think I will watch it again, I will pay boxed set price, If I don't but really like it I will pay maybe half boxed set price just for collection's sake. If I like it but not that much I won't pay much. Maybe 20 bucks to "rent" but again, the dilemma is that i wouldn't want to make that choice until after I saw it and knew if I wanted to just go all out and buy the DVDs.


Megiddo wrote:
Flake wrote:
Que es tu en Answerman, nada? No si porque?.


Wow. In no way can that be considered remotely close to coherent Spanish.


Que no si el taco?
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heyyobyme



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 3:56 am Reply with quote
The real question in the whole Eva vs. Lagann thing, is... Is Shinji in control of Unit-01?

No, scratch that, it's irrelevant. He can be overridden.

So with that established, I'm confident that Eva-01 would just eat it. Drill spikes and all. It'd eat it.

In fact, I daresay, there is nothing in the entire world of anime that Eva-01 could not eat, and thus defeat. Aside from perhaps things that wouldn't kill(Let's say, Alucard, uh, various other undead things that don't come to mind so quickly...).

So, I guess, the method for determining the victor in a fight between Eva-01 and anything is as follows:

Can it be killed by being eaten? If yes, Eva-01 wins.

If no, can Eva-01 beat it using its other abilities? If yes, Eva-01 wins.

If no, have you divided by zero? If yes, Batman wins.


(I just felt like being silly. Sue me.)
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 4:29 am Reply with quote
Akukaze wrote:
There are also pornographic "lez" comics which aren't to be confused with yuri.


Eh, f/f manga porn is still yuri. Guess it all depends on who you ask, and when. Ten years ago some folks would swear up and down that yuri is just porn for guys and therefore there was no such thing as yuri for women or girls.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 5:18 am Reply with quote
einhorn303 wrote:
A single episode of anime is worth exactly the expense it took to produce it. Whether the expenses be in animation, writing, music, or voice acting.

That's how much it's *worth*. Another question is, how much it should cost? The cost of the episode can be calculated like this: P should be equal to the amount of people who would like to see the episode and would pay it. The cost of the episode should be the worth divided by P.


Your model is missing a vital factor - a healthy profit margin. Without a profit margin, nobody would be making anime. Who goes into business to break even?
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Conan-san



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 6:13 am Reply with quote
Ultimately, what an episode is worth is more or less down to the series. I'll gladly pay £1 - £2 ($2/4) per ep for a good series but you wouln't catch me dead paying much more than 50p ($1) per ep for a bad series and I probably wouldn't buy the whole thing. Case in point, I recently got the Azumanga Daioh UK boxset for £26 offa amazon making for £1 an ep (more or less, I'm slightly fudging for sake of simplicity) same deal with FMP.

Now, later on this month, I'll get Fummofu for £23 making for (again roughly) £1.50 an episode which I feel is stealing because FMP Fummofu is some of the best stuff out of KyoAni (I'd easily pay £3 for an episode).

Now, the FFU boxset is £40, that translastes to £1.50. But the thing is, it's downright repungent. Hence I woun't be willing to put down that sort of cash for it. That's two bottles of Ice Tea right there.
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