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SakechanBD
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 4:31 pm Reply with quote
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Rather than say, "Hey, here's a 26-episode anime series, do something with it," I'd rather take that time and drive them to football practice, or swim lessons. I'd rather they spend their time reading or learning how to play an instrument, rather than feeding a possible anime addiction.


How is watching anime any different than reading? One can be addicted to either books or anime, I guess, and there are just as many shitty books as shitty animes. The quality difference isn't really that great unless your kid plans on reading Dostoyevsky or Faulkner. I don't see how liking football or swimming is better than anime besides the physical fitness benefits and if that's what you are looking for, there are safer sports besides football. I'm not sure what you are driving at. Books and music encourage creativity, but so can anime. Football and swimming don't really, so I don't get why you are lumping the four things together against anime. It's unclear what you think is negative about it from your examples of things that are better to do than watching anime.


It requires reading. Reading not only stimulates your imagination more than devouring pop TV, but it also builds language skills. Kids who read a lot end up with better writing skills, and better communication skills.

Football and swimming are physical activities, which is helpful in promoting good health, but it also promotes setting and achieving goals. It's nice to be part of a team, and it's nice to learn how to pull your own weight on a team. It's nice to work hard for something, and it's even nicer to get something you worked hard for.

Playing the piano or the trumpet definitely stimulates different parts of your brain than watching anime. You also get different life experiences from it.

If you think anime is an adequate substitution for living a well-rounded life, then perhaps you need to expand your hobbies.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 5:35 pm Reply with quote
yaoi is not the way I swing. but if there is a good story line and compelling characters I don't mind a yaoi undertone. It is just when the plot becomes solely focused on dewy eyes and such that I realize that there is no reason for me to be watching it. No, none whatsoever.

I innocently picked up Descendants of Darkness earlier in my anime fandom when I found the whole series used at CD Warehouse. I didn't realize until I had started it what the subtext of it was. Still, (at least so far) it seems to have an interesting plot with more developed characters... so I've not dropped it. Still not high on my list of series to complete... but unless the series just starts focusing on the relationship I should be good to the end.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 5:40 pm Reply with quote
Interesting.

My kids watch anime. I totally yelled at them a couple of days ago for watching Spongebob. I hate. HATE. Spongebob. NONE OF THAT GARBAGE ON MY TELEVISION, PLOZ. But I don't force them to watch or not watch many things. I just hate me some Spongebob. It IS kind of like sports fandom- I am also a rabid hockey fan, and it is starting to rub off on the kids, although moreso than the anime fandom, oddly enough. I keep telling them- I don't so much care that they like the things I do, so much as I hope they find things to like that give them as much enjoyment as the things I like give me. (Did that parse? I'm really kind of tired just now.) Although if any of them came home and declared themselves Flyers fans, I would simply have to kick them out of the house and pretend they never existed. (waits patiently for teenage rebellious years...)

And I do, indeed, spend most of Saturday driving them to various music lessons and whatnot. Karate, swimming, etc. It's really getting nuts, I can't wait until the oldest has his license so I can start being a little lazy.

I had a perfectly normal wedding. Well... no, yeah, it was perfectly normal.

Bamboo is correct, anime is not a substitute for a well rounded life. It can, though, be part of one. Huzzah. (Note: not completely sure I have completely understood the completeness of all the arguments here, but since nobody ever reads my posts anyway, it doesn't really matter.)
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 6:31 pm Reply with quote
I think if the parents don't force the kid into their own hobbies the kid will want to take part in the parents' hobbies on their own.
My parents are avid readers. I would see that and want to do what they were doing. They never sat me down and forced me to read, I wanted to do it on my own.
Likewise, my dad would watch things like Gunbuster and Starblazers back when I was in junior high. The only anime I'd seen before that was Sailor Moon and Pokemon and it was the first time I'd ever watched stuff in Japanese with subtitles. A fan was born.
Even though my dad doesn't really watch anime anymore he doesn't discourage it or judge.

As for yaoi's popularity. I am sort of surprised at how really gung-ho some of the fangirls are. I've read a few things but nothing that really stood out as great. Maybe I'm just not reading the right things.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 6:39 pm Reply with quote
My nephew is 8 and he watches Pokemon and Naruto but never once did I ever try to force any shows on him or introduce Anime to him. Quite the contrary, whenever I watch him I'm the one being forced to watch Cartoon Network
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 7:44 pm Reply with quote
Wow, I COMPLETELY missed the point of the Question of the Week. I was thinking about watching value (How important each episode is to the overall show) as opposed to monetary cost.

Also, I got on twice! That's pretty cool. I should geek out to my niece (The only other anime fan in the family, that I know of.)

As to this week's question.. It doesn't bother me that much. As long as it's not forced on me, why should I care?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 10:22 pm Reply with quote
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I think, to some extent, the actual function of a wedding has been divorced from the consciousness of my own generation by the popular media.

A "Wedding" can be two things. First is a religious / cultural ceremony that binds a man and a women together in matrimony before God and family. The second is a celebration of the union of these two people and the creation of a new family unit - typically a big party.

In the United States, you typically have both parts of a wedding in succession - a ceremony followed by a party. Despite popular media depictions neither of those things are all about your personal likes and dislikes. The ceremony of a wedding is supposed to be about the family the married couple is forming - concepts like fidelity, motherhood, loyalty, and fatherhood. The emphasis is on the future of a lifetime, not the moment of decoration. The celebration of a wedding is likewise not about the likes and dislikes of the bride and groom. It is far more focused on the guests they have invited - those friends and relatives who have come together to offer their support and congratulations to the new family.

You certainly customize the wedding to reflect the bride and groom - but in such a way so as to share of themselves with their guests. You don't put something on the menu that only the bride likes and everyone else just has to suffer through. Likewise, you don't dress up your ceremony in such a way that your guests and wedding parties feel like jackasses.

A little bit of humility and concern for welcoming and accommodating your family and friends goes a long way to making a good Wedding - and it is a good omen for a successful Marriage as well.


Thank you! I agree with you completely, except (a) I don't blame it on popular media and (b) a marriage can also be the joining of a same-sex couple.

Your wedding is NOT just "your day," it's your family's day. Chances are these days that you already live with your partner and may even in the eyes of the common law already be married, but the wedding is a very important gesture to your families and friends. That's why they're there; if you just want to dress up and party, you can do that any weekend at home and you don't even have to invite anyone else.

I don't think it's so much a case of popular media as just a case of a time when a lot of people want to have their cake and eat it too. We're still a 'me' generation, it seems, when so many weddings these days feel more like a couple engaging in senseless self-congratulation than in anything gracious or giving at all.

People are so empowered as individuals right now, I guess it's easy to forget we're also parts of communities, of families and friendships.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 11:33 pm Reply with quote
^ Screw the family. If I pay for my own wedding and they don't like what I do there they can stay home. It is the couples day, not anyone else's. You want to share your new life with them, and if they don't get it screw them. (And I don't man this just to anime related events I mean everything) The family can be there and celebrate in the union, but everything else they want to put in is mute.

It kills me watching the family try to demand something on a day when its not about them. Like I said before: if they've got a problem the door is there. Who cares what my friends and family want? They aren't getting married. Eat the food, drink and shut up. ....and smile for the pictures. Less copies I have to buy....
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 1:21 am Reply with quote
indrik wrote:
Interesting.

My kids watch anime. I totally yelled at them a couple of days ago for watching Spongebob. I hate. HATE. Spongebob. NONE OF THAT GARBAGE ON MY TELEVISION, PLOZ. But I don't force them to watch or not watch many things. I just hate me some Spongebob.


xD What the hell did Spongebob do to you? And you yelled at them?

x_x wow.

I don't really think I would ever stop or yell at my kid from watching a children's show just because I didn't like it in particular. *shrugs.* Why can't a kid be a kid?

x.x That's like when my mom didn't want me to watch Dragon Ball Z or Sailor Moon, or anything that was related to anime in general just because she "didn't like it." I think I had to have been 12/13 at the time, though.


Sorry, your post caught my eye. I'm pretty sure I could name plenty of kids shows that annoy the crap out of me, but as long as my kids are happy (And smart) I don't see the harm, really.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 1:46 am Reply with quote
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(Sidenote rant: I swear fansubs are getting worse about this. "Toshokan Sensou" and not "Library War"? Seriously, the old FMA files I used to have weren't labeled "Hagane no Renkinjutsuhi"!)


Right? I still have no idea what Bakumatsu Kikansetsu Irohanihoheto is supposed to translate to. Of course, it might make a bit more sense if I actually had time to sit and watch it all. Or not. Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 1:59 am Reply with quote
hentai4me wrote:

I'm not advocating forcing hobbies and things on your children, but as a parent you should have a hand in what they get up to.


I make it a point to like or have interest in whatever my nephews', nieces', god-children's like. That way, they know they can always talk to you. That's why they always like it when I come around, because they know they'd have someone to talk to about whatever.


hentai4me wrote:

I wouldn't stop my child having their own hobbies, but I will step in and make sure they at least try to be a well rounded person. They'll be doing a sport or similar physical activity, they can choose what that is but they will be doing one. They should enjoy something artistic be it music, painting, drawing, dance, literature, whatever. As long as they've got interest in things like that then I don't care if they spend all night playing games or watching anime or hell even porn (as long as it is legal), also school work! I will also stop or limit their taking part in pastimes I consider bad, like spending night after night out drinking, or smoking and so forth.


Many interests and hobbies are good, so they can find things they like. As with all things, in moderation, save maybe when they're trying to achieve special goals, like Michael Phelps with swimming.

Vices are to be avoided around kids, like smoking, drinking, cursing, shouting, etc. So the kids could see what's considered normal decorum in their environment. (E.g. I don't curse or shout, so the kids don't get into a cursing or shouting match with me. I talk rationale; I bludgeon them with logic. Laughing )
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 3:32 am Reply with quote
The Yaoi issue.....

It's gotten out of control. I mean, it's fine if it's written or even hinted at, but when you start trying to do pairings that don't even exist or the hint is so freaking obscure you need a translator, a mystic, a psychic, the Pope himself, and Madam Pele the Fire Goddess to point it out, theirs a problem. And when it's fantasized by Teenage girls (or Mature Females that haven't grow out of puberty)

To put it bluntly, can anyone tell me were in Kingdom Hearts or Naruto where the characters are gay?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 5:45 am Reply with quote
mlund wrote:
I think, to some extent, the actual function of a wedding has been divorced from the consciousness of my own generation by the popular media.

A "Wedding" can be two things. First is a religious / cultural ceremony that binds a man and a women together in matrimony before God and family. The second is a celebration of the union of these two people and the creation of a new family unit - typically a big party.

In the United States, you typically have both parts of a wedding in succession - a ceremony followed by a party. Despite popular media depictions neither of those things are all about your personal likes and dislikes. The ceremony of a wedding is supposed to be about the family the married couple is forming - concepts like fidelity, motherhood, loyalty, and fatherhood. The emphasis is on the future of a lifetime, not the moment of decoration. The celebration of a wedding is likewise not about the likes and dislikes of the bride and groom. It is far more focused on the guests they have invited - those friends and relatives who have come together to offer their support and congratulations to the new family.

You certainly customize the wedding to reflect the bride and groom - but in such a way so as to share of themselves with their guests. You don't put something on the menu that only the bride likes and everyone else just has to suffer through. Likewise, you don't dress up your ceremony in such a way that your guests and wedding parties feel like jackasses.

A little bit of humility and concern for welcoming and accommodating your family and friends goes a long way to making a good Wedding - and it is a good omen for a successful Marriage as well.


Or of course, you could have TWO Weddings. One "Regular" and One "Whatever you want" type of shin-dig.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 5:59 am Reply with quote
Yaoi fans... I don't mind them, as long as they don't force their hobbies (or beliefs even!) unto others. Unfortunatelly, the girls who do are the most vocal ones. Some of my friends are into yaoi, but they know it's not my kind of thing and they respect that. However, I've also met complete strangers who tried to convince me Sasuke and Naruto we're made for eachother and got annoyed (or mad!) when I told them I wasn't interested in that.


Zin5ki wrote:

Are rabbits supposed to eat raisins?


It's not harmful as long as they don't overeat. Most rabbits love all sorts of dried fruit.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 6:21 am Reply with quote
Cosplay wedding: I would like one, why not. I think it's a mistake to take life too seriously - so why shouldn't you have fun? Its you and your fiancee's day. It belongs to you.
Do whatever you like, reminiscent later, about the good ol' carefree days.

Yaoi: First, who the hell says Yuri fans are any less rabbid? Sure they are, I'm one myself, I can tell. It's just that Yuri fandom is so tiny nobody notices. Also, it does not help that Yaoi fandom is populated largely by 13 year old girls.
My point being - fandom should respect each other. We all do crazy shit. Somebody who watches animated women with large breasts and/or a penis have sex should not jabber at somebody, who likes to watch two men -who kinda look like girls- have sex. We are all freaks in the view of general society, so we should best understand, that our hobbies and fetishes can be a little strange and that you shouldn't always judge by appearences.
Maybe I just expect a bit too much empathy from geeks.

So let me explain - It's fun to pair up people you are pretty sure aren't gay. If you think they could look good together or if you think it would be entertaining. It is not meant to offend anybody. Just ignore it, duh! (Same goes for pairing up real people - only this way it is a bit creepy)
Let people squeal at couples being cute. It is kind of like that moe thing - you understand what is fabulous about Chii, I sure don't. Whatever.

/all that being said, I guess it is annoying hearing kids squeal about some two guys being cannon if they don't even know each other. I wouldn't know though, I never met that bad-kind-of-yaoi-fangirl. I guess I just repel them or something/

EDIT: about that Naruto thing - sure, Naruto talks about liking Sakura quite a lot. But there is so much sexual tension between Naruto and Sasuke it is a bit creepy O_o
Do not misunderstand me - I hate that pairing. I hate those characters. But I do think they have a thing between them


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