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doctordoom85



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 6:27 am Reply with quote
Hon'ya-chan wrote:
To put it bluntly, can anyone tell me were in Kingdom Hearts or Naruto where the characters are gay?


In Naruto Shippuden: spoiler[It could be suggested that Sai is gay. However, I think it's more obvious that Sai is asexual. Face it, he was raised to keep all his emotions and desires locked up permanently (I'm not sure if it's possible to force an orientation on someone, but I guess it could happen). His comments about Naruto's you-know-what are more of a "ha,ha" nature than a lustful nature, and his reaction to the Sasuke/Sai jutsu merely had him realizing he was there. He shows no interest in girls. I'm 90% confident Sai is asexual. Of course, even if Kishimoto himself confirmed it, that won't stop the fanfiction......

However, the anime is adding scenes with him and Sakura that are a LITTLE suggestive of something there, but that's non-canon.]
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 10:55 am Reply with quote
From my personal experience working in the wedding business for years, ALL weddings are cosplay.
(They just aren't necessarilly dressed as anime/gaming characters.) Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 11:36 am Reply with quote
britannicamoore wrote:
If I pay for my own wedding and they don't like what I do there they can stay home.


Well, there's another shift; traditionally, families paid for weddings, rather than the couple having to pay.

Even so, I don't think it's unfair to extend some grace and decorum to your guests, especially if they are coming a long way just for the wedding. You can celebrate marriage without being self-obsessed.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 12:17 pm Reply with quote
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^ Screw the family. If I pay for my own wedding and they don't like what I do there they can stay home. It is the couples day, not anyone else's. You want to share your new life with them, and if they don't get it screw them. (And I don't man this just to anime related events I mean everything) The family can be there and celebrate in the union, but everything else they want to put in is mute.

It kills me watching the family try to demand something on a day when its not about them. Like I said before: if they've got a problem the door is there. Who cares what my friends and family want? They aren't getting married. Eat the food, drink and shut up. ....and smile for the pictures. Less copies I have to buy....


Ugh.

The point is that you actually want people to attend your event. If you're all "screw you, family and friends!! want to support me and my new spouse on our wedding day? well then DEAL WITH IT NO MOM I WON'T TAKE OUT THE TRASH" then just have a civil ceremony at the courthouse and don't invite anyone.

Weddings are about the family. Most notably the bride's mother. Yes it is your "special day" but you're throwing a party and you have to be gracious hosts. Not only that but simply attending a wedding can be very expensive, especially if you're inviting out-of-town friends and family, so you need to honor the financial sacrifice those people made to be there for you by being accommodating hosts. No, the family doesn't get to make "demands", but deliberately ignoring the needs of your family on your wedding day is incredibly selfish and immature.

To me the whole cosplay wedding thing is like getting a Super Mario tattoo in your early 20's. When you're 54 years old and have likely grown up, matured and moved past being obsessed with Nintendo, aren't you going to regret that tattoo?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 1:18 pm Reply with quote
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britannicamoore wrote:
^ Screw the family. If I pay for my own wedding and they don't like what I do there they can stay home. It is the couples day, not anyone else's. You want to share your new life with them, and if they don't get it screw them. (And I don't man this just to anime related events I mean everything) The family can be there and celebrate in the union, but everything else they want to put in is mute.

It kills me watching the family try to demand something on a day when its not about them. Like I said before: if they've got a problem the door is there. Who cares what my friends and family want? They aren't getting married. Eat the food, drink and shut up. ....and smile for the pictures. Less copies I have to buy....


Ugh.

The point is that you actually want people to attend your event. If you're all "screw you, family and friends!! want to support me and my new spouse on our wedding day? well then DEAL WITH IT NO MOM I WON'T TAKE OUT THE TRASH" then just have a civil ceremony at the courthouse and don't invite anyone.

Weddings are about the family. Most notably the bride's mother. Yes it is your "special day" but you're throwing a party and you have to be gracious hosts. Not only that but simply attending a wedding can be very expensive, especially if you're inviting out-of-town friends and family, so you need to honor the financial sacrifice those people made to be there for you by being accommodating hosts. No, the family doesn't get to make "demands", but deliberately ignoring the needs of your family on your wedding day is incredibly selfish and immature.

To me the whole cosplay wedding thing is like getting a Super Mario tattoo in your early 20's. When you're 54 years old and have likely grown up, matured and moved past being obsessed with Nintendo, aren't you going to regret that tattoo?


No, because if you're into the stuff enough to put something on your body you can't take off, then you'll probably still be in it then.

As for the rest, I still say if they can't accept what you're into then you need to think about why you're inviting them. I just don't think anyone else should have a place in that at all. Sure you can be there for support, but you don't get the right to demand things.

If you're inviting people these should be people you love and trust, and people who care for you. Just because they have all of the above doesn't mean they get a say unless they're paying.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 2:03 pm Reply with quote
Anime hyper I MUST read "Question Of the week" When its comes out. I always wonder how the guys felt about yaoi. =P I don't mind reading a Yuri manga. If the Yuri has a sweet story i would read it. BTW Guys: Some yaoi doesnt always End With a "Sausage Fest" Some Yaoi Can end with a sweet kiss or A Passinate Hug. =P >_> But some yaoi's ALOT of A manly man and a girly man. >_> So it like reading a Shojo manga but girly man has a p3nis. (and having anal smex). But i can't help my self. Yaoi mangaka can draw some Smexy men. >_> U can't help it. With Pictures when Ribbons are tied around a girlish man and the Manly Guy looking with those sexy eyes at him. *Cough* s&m *Cough*

Im a girl And I like reading Yuri Manga. I can read the Shoujo kind of yuri(Innocents Love) But I don't like Hentai Yuri. >_> Theres a line bettween them. But reading Yuri doesnt mean i am lesbian.

About the Wedding thing. I think its sweet to have a cosplay wedding. If that was me i would be laughed out outta my wedding. =P >_> I would wear my cosplay at my honeymoon. (Cosplay Smex) XDDDD I LOVE to be invited to a cosplayer wedding =D.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 3:27 pm Reply with quote
tygerchickchibi wrote:
xD What the hell did Spongebob do to you? And you yelled at them?

x_x wow.


Not, I didn't really yell. It makes a better story though. It was more of an, ugh, you're watching THAT? AGAIN? I don't understand. It's like there's Spongebob on some channel or other 24 hours a day. All Spongebob all the time. And no, I don't really have a justification for my anti-Spongebob stance, I just don't like it. Really, REALLY don't like it. Wait, this means somebody at least read the beginning of my post.

I was thinking though that having kids got me into anime more, kind of indirectly. My wife had some health problems after two of them, so I ended up the primary caregiver for everybody here for a long time. So I needed something to do that I could do without leaving the house, late at night. Something relaxing to do while trying to convince cantankerous babies to go back to sleep at 2:00 in the morning: the daughter required two or three episodes of rocking, but the youngest only needed one, most times. So now I watch a lot of anime and post on internet forums, although it's mostly habit this far along.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 3:29 pm Reply with quote
britannicamoore wrote:
Sure you can be there for support, but you don't get the right to demand things.


Um, that's exactly what Zac just said:

Zac wrote:
No, the family doesn't get to make "demands", but deliberately ignoring the needs of your family on your wedding day is incredibly selfish and immature.


We're not talking about families making demands. We're talking about treating families with respect and grace ... rather than your "screw the family" (your words) approach.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 5:41 pm Reply with quote
Yaoi...

I think I'm going to go against the grain. Everyone seems to hate the over exited fans. Personally I think that having a large core of the fanbase being very excited about it is a good thing. Sure trying to make people do something they don't want to do is not great but if, in all seriousness you cannot avoid kissing another guy while surrounded by a gaggle of girls then maybe you need to work on your people skills. Hey when I was asked to (I wasn't actually cosplaying, I was in a suit from a work function...maybe some characters wear suits) I kissed the guy in return for 4 kisses from the girls, thus I successfully staved off 'teh gay1!lol'.

Just try pretending some excitement, you may find you enjoy it. Deciding immediately that they are a scourge and you would hate to spend time with them will probably make it so you do hate them.

I've never read any yaoi but if it sounded interesting and was available in store and I wasn't after something else (budgeting my good man) I'd pick one up.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 5:49 pm Reply with quote
TheVok wrote:
britannicamoore wrote:
Sure you can be there for support, but you don't get the right to demand things.


Um, that's exactly what Zac just said:

Zac wrote:
No, the family doesn't get to make "demands", but deliberately ignoring the needs of your family on your wedding day is incredibly selfish and immature.


We're not talking about families making demands. We're talking about treating families with respect and grace ... rather than your "screw the family" (your words) approach.


I said they don't get to make any decisions in in the wedding. It's not theirs. Why should they have any say? They aren't getting married. They are only there to celebrate in the couple. So why change a thing for them? Just to make someone else happy at my day?

They can fall back.

When they have a wedding they can set their own ways of doing things. If the bride and groom want to cosplay at their wedding their family has a simple choice. Don't go, or go and suppourt them.

I don't get why that was so hard to understand. If I wanted to have a cosplay wedding and my parents were angry about it they can go or not go, but I'm not going to change a thing for them.

As for respect how is it disrespectful to do what I want at my own wedding? It's one of those bending over backwards things that I'm not interested in. Like I said before, if they can't respect me then I can be nice but they can stay home. The End.

I've seen two families get ruined because the bride and groom weren't allowed what they wanted on the wedding day- instead they listened to what everyone else and their mother had to say. In the end the wedding was nothing like they wanted. It's a non-necessary headache. I wouldn't deal with it and would simply eliminate the problem. You only get married once (or you're suppose to) and you should do it the way you want. To re-quote myself: screw anyone else.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 7:03 pm Reply with quote
@britannicamoore: It all goes down to how good your family relationship is. If you see your family as just another couple guests, then it should be more than fine to you. A wedding that is all about the bride today sounds to me like South Park's Hell on Earth 2006.

@Mohawk52, darkstar, and hentai4me: Thank you so much for sharing. Real life experience > "If I were to..."

Stretch2424 wrote:
Isn't every wedding pretty much a cosplay? Where the participants dress up in fanciful outfits which they will seldom, if ever, wear in their ordinary lives?
Wow. What an insight.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 7:13 pm Reply with quote
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I said they don't get to make any decisions in in the wedding.


No disagreement here.

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It's not theirs.


Right.

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Why should they have any say?


No one says they should.

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They aren't getting married.


Right.

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They are only there to celebrate in the couple.


Well, kinda. It's usually not quite that simple, though. A wedding tends to be about more than just 'celebrating in the couple.'

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So why change a thing for them? Just to make someone else happy at my day?


It's not about changing anything for them, it's about keeping them in mind when planning in the first place. They're your guests, for crying out loud ... why wouldn't you consider their needs?

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If the bride and groom want to cosplay at their wedding their family has a simple choice. Don't go, or go and suppourt them.

I don't get why that was so hard to understand.


It's not hard to understand at all, we just disagree. You're putting the self ahead of the group.

It would be a real shame to make a wedding so unwelcoming as to make guests feel uncomfortable about accepting an invitation to it.

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If I wanted to have a cosplay wedding and my parents were angry about it they can go or not go, but I'm not going to change a thing for them.


It's not even a question of anger. It's a question of comfort. When you invite people to an event, ANY event, you're the host and you should accommodate them. Since when was a wedding--or any other event--simply a celebration of self? Since when was it okay to make a collective gathering into a big masturbatory 'look at me' ego trip?

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As for respect how is it disrespectful to do what I want at my own wedding?


That in itself is not disrespectful. But what you want doesn't only have to be about you.

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It's one of those bending over backwards things that I'm not interested in.


How twisted is it that we're now at a point where NOT having a cosplay wedding would be considered a case of bending over backwards. Sheesh. If that's your idea of self-sacrifice, I'd hate to see your idea of a small compromise in daily life.

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I've seen two families get ruined because the bride and groom weren't allowed what they wanted on the wedding day- instead they listened to what everyone else and their mother had to say.


It's not an either/or situation. We're talking about co-operation, whereby (a) the bride and groom have the wedding they want AND (b) they listen to their families and friends--or at the very least, consider what kind of wedding would be pleasant for their family and friends.

For most of us, the greatest pleasure is the pleasure of others. You're not going to meet too many joyous, effervescent hermits in this world.

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You only get married once (or you're suppose to) and you should do it the way you want. To re-quote myself: screw anyone else.


Again, not an either/or situation. Doing it the way you want doesn't necessarily mean screwing everyone else. It's not nearly so black and white--or as bleak--as that.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 7:16 pm Reply with quote
If marriages are broken by how the wedding went, then they probably weren't intended to be in the first place.

That said I think that the bride/groom should have more say in the event than anyone else. It's a silly ceremony anyway that is nothing like the rest of life. I've only went to one fun wedding and that's because it wasn't entirely traditional (it wasn't out there like a Zelda wedding either, but something like that does sound fun even if it's a bit strange).
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 9:53 pm Reply with quote
TheVok wrote:
Since when was a wedding--or any other event--simply a celebration of self? Since when was it okay to make a collective gathering into a big masturbatory 'look at me' ego trip?


Thank you. This is very succinct, and remarkably true.

"ME ME ME ME ME EVEN TO THE DETRIMENT OF EVERYONE ELSE" is My Super Sweet Sixteen, not your wedding day. Crikey.

Edit: Notably the kids who were on My Super Sweet Sixteen were so reviled for being self-obsessed conceited bitches that MTV launched another series where they sent girls who were on that show to third world countries and filmed them suffering, just because the hatred and schadenfreude was so potent among the audience that it was basically a ratings no-brainer.

"Hey remember these self-obsessed wretches? Watch them suffer! RATINGS GOLD"

Shocker, the show is a big hit. People hate other people who act like that.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 10:25 pm Reply with quote
I think the comparisons between a birthday and a wedding are very fitting here.

In either case, taking the attitude "screw everyone else" is really just very selfish. No matter what the circumstance, to say that what you want is all that matters and to hell with others is unacceptable behavior. Just because the focus of the day is you doesn't really change that. Any decent person who cares about their friends and family should take their feelings into consideration at all times.

That said, I do agree that your wedding day is your day. It is one of those times where it is reasonable to put your desires before those of others to an extent. If you want to have a cosplay wedding, fine. Maybe other people would rather you had a traditional wedding, but it's your wedding so it's reasonable to do what you want. However, if a cosplay wedding would go as far as to make your guests very uncomfortable, then you ought to show enough courtesy to not do it for their sake. The key is balance. It's not unreasonable to put more emphasis on what you want. It is unreasonable to put all the emphasis on what you want.
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