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Ceru
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| Teriyaki Terrier wrote: | | sarsman45 wrote: | | Teriyaki Terrier wrote: | | Though if I had the opportunity to meet Johnny Bosh, I'd be extremely tempeted to say "Its morphing time". If anyone actually understands why, then they deserve praise. |
LOL! I miss watching that! I mean Power Rangers was awesome... until season 6, then i gave up because it just sucked afterwards  |
Wow, I am actually surprized anyone stills remembers that shows. Though if you ask me, after the Zeo season, the show became eventually reclyced. Major kudo's, because at someone remembers that era. |
Dude, you make it sound like it's 50 years old, hahaha. It's circa early 90's for pete's sake, it's no more than 15 years old. Of course people remember  |
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Kimiko_0
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| Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 6:30 am |
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An American VA is more popular than one of the creators of an anime? You mean there are actually people who prefer American voices over the original Japanese?  |
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Michi
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| Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 6:42 am |
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| Teriyaki Terrier wrote: | | Though if I had the opportunity to meet Johnny Bosh, I'd be extremely tempeted to say "Its morphing time". If anyone actually understands why, then they deserve praise. |
Wait, really? You don't think there are many people that know that about his acting history? It's like the one thing I see touted everywhere about him!
| Ceru wrote: | | Dude, you make it sound like it's 50 years old, hahaha. It's circa early 90's for pete's sake, it's no more than 15 years old. Of course people remember |
And on that note, unfortunately a grand majority of today's anime fans ARE no more than 15 years old. |
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Maryohki
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| I agree with this SO hard. I don't see why people spaz over Vic Mignogna or whatever, but could care less if, say, Hiromu Arakawa showed up. WTF, fandom? I'd really like to meet Katsura Hoshino or Bisco Hatori, but Acen isn't even putting much effort into getting Japanese guests in the first place, which makes me SO mad. |
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LordPrometheus
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| Teriyaki Terrier wrote: |
Though if I had the opportunity to meet Johnny Bosh, I'd be extremely tempeted to say "Its morphing time". If anyone actually understands why, then they deserve praise. |
I didn't know Johnny Bosch was in Power Rangers! Which Ranger and season was he in?? I used to be obsessed with the Rangers. 
But yeah, I'd think most people here would remember Power Rangers. It's not THAT old. |
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irishninja
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| Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 9:13 am |
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I'm not surprised that American VAs are more popular with Americans than the shows' creators.
This phenomenon extends beyond anime.
It is part of the entertainment culture, from Hollywood to professional sports to anime. In Hollywood, it is the actors and actresses who garner the attention of the media and fans, regardless of their actual abilities. Directors and screenwriters rarely ever get their better-deserved attention. The situation makes more sense in professional sports, since the athletes are actually the ones doing the hard work. The strategies and thought behind their actions come down from the coaches, who rarely rarely receive more than a mere mention. In anime, it is easier to relate to the person who gave voice to a favorite character, who made that character feel actually human, than to the guy who wrote the lines or subjected the character to hardships. |
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juno_senei
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i can totally believe that comic strip.
the american VA would receive more attention because he/she has more exposure to the general fans, whereas fewer fans would actually know who the creator was ^^;;
for example: i used to watch DBZ back in the old days...and there would've been no way that i'd know who the actual creator was. i knew that i enjoyed the show that was being told by the VA i listened to 
but, i guess things are a bit different when you get older ^^;; especially if you've become more than an average fan...a fan that actually pays attention to creator names, etc.
i was at sakura-con last year and was lucky enough to get chosen to attend the autograph session for hirano kouta, the Hellsing mangaka. though, i also gotta say i'd be conflicted if the choice was either him or crispin freman, the VA for alucard. but heck, you know what? i think i'd still choose the mangaka over the VA ^^;;
but, that's me. heh. |
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UtenaAnthy
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| Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 9:51 am |
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| As an original language watcher, I'd only have real difficulty if the choice was between a really good original language seiyuu and a staff member I liked the work of, like Satoshi Kon, or Kiyohiko Azuma, or Osamu Kobayashi. (Though incidentally I did think the dub for Hellsing Ultimate sounded very good in the trailer). |
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enurtsol
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| Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 10:24 am |
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| N. American fans relate more to N. American guests who attend multiple cons every year with panels that are more like conversations rather than just Q&A, so they build a brand name and a following like a tour. In short, there's a feeling more of a personal connection rather than just business. |
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doctordoom85
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| Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 10:50 am |
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| Kimiko_0 wrote: | | An American VA is more popular than one of the creators of an anime? You mean there are actually people who prefer American voices over the original Japanese? |
The creators of Cowboy Bebop and (reportedly) FLCL, to name a few.
Also, I don't know about the seiyus, but Oda himself picked out the dub VAs for Funimation's One Piece.
As for creators vs. American VAs, it depends on which one on either side. If it's Watanabe, Anno, Oda, Toriyama, Arakawa, someone big like that, then they take priority. If it's a dub VA for a major character from Bebop, FMA, Eva, etc., or just someone skilled who has been in a lot (Blum, Sabat, Bosch, Freeman, etc.), they take second priority. Anyone involved with an anime I haven't seen, I probably wouldn't bother going to. [sarcasm]Yes, shocking, it may be that a lot of people haven't seen the anime you obsess over.[/sarcasm]
I mean, in the comic's universe, maybe "Kiken Resin Angel" just doesn't have that large of a fanbase. Whereas Jerry has probably dubbed many animes in Nina's universe. Which one is expected to get a bigger showing? This would be not different if there was a convention that had David Fincher and Samuel L. Jackson in two different areas. Even if you think David deserves a larger audience, it's SAMUEL L. JACKSON. Just about everyone knows who he is. I can understand Nina being disappointed, but I think it's a little dramatic to call it an "injustice". |
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MorwenLaicoriel
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| Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 11:21 am |
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| Hon'ya-chan wrote: | | Seeing that one VA has a bunch of fangirls calling themselves the "Risembool Rangers" and another has the "Miniskirt Army," ya think? |
Oh, now I'm tempted to make the "Laputa Lovers" just to see what sort of reaction I get...
| Kimiko_0 wrote: | | An American VA is more popular than one of the creators of an anime? You mean there are actually people who prefer American voices over the original Japanese? |
actually, yes. I appreciate subs and dubs about equally, but I prefer to watch dubs because...
(1) since there's a smaller amount of American VAs, and I get a chance to see them at cons more, they're more recognizable to me. I'm quick to say with surprise "Hey, it's Greg Ayres!!" when I'm watching something, but I notice Japanese VA less. (Although there's some that I still hear and happily squee over when I see them--Mamoru Miyami, for example, or Akira Ishida, or Takahiro Sakurai...those are the biggies.)
(2) I've taken enough Japanese classes to realize I really DON'T understand even some things like inflection at times, and that Japanese isn't a holy script given to us by the gods, it's just another language. English is less "alien" to me, so it's often easier for me to have an emotional reaction to a dub. (Although it's certainly not impossible for me to have a emotional reaction to a Japanese voiceover!)
(3)I have a tendency to have either music or movies playing in the background when I'm doing things--if I'm going to do that with anime, it better be a dub, because I won't be watching the screen closely enough to watch all the subs.
Of course, if you asked me on a case-by-case basis whether I preffered the dub or sub version of a particular anime, or even a particular CHARACTER, the response would vary. (Example: I prefer the dub of Princess Tutu overall, but I think the Japanese actor for Mytho (Naoki Yagani, I think...?) pulled him off better than Jay Hickman did.)
...Uhhh, I know that's tl;dr, sorry. 
Also, I haven't actually noticed this at a con the one time we had a Japanese creator come, from what I remember...the lines were really about the same. (Then again, the most popular voice actor I remember being there that year was Spike Spencer, whose most popular anime came out about a year ago. And among the creators in question, one of them was the director for Fullmetal Alchemist. Sooooooo that might not be the best example.) |
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enurtsol
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| MorwenLaicoriel wrote: | | Hon'ya-chan wrote: | | Seeing that one VA has a bunch of fangirls calling themselves the "Risembool Rangers" and another has the "Miniskirt Army," ya think? |
Oh, now I'm tempted to make the "Laputa Lovers" just to see what sort of reaction I get... |
Well, everybody loves la puta.  |
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MorwenLaicoriel
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| Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 11:30 am |
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| enurtsol wrote: | | MorwenLaicoriel wrote: | | Hon'ya-chan wrote: | | Seeing that one VA has a bunch of fangirls calling themselves the "Risembool Rangers" and another has the "Miniskirt Army," ya think? |
Oh, now I'm tempted to make the "Laputa Lovers" just to see what sort of reaction I get... |
Well, everybody loves la puta. |
I had a feeling that I would get that sort of reaction, but I couldn't come up with a better name... (Nausicaa's Nerds? Miyazaki's Maidens?) |
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eviltimes
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| Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 12:10 pm |
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| MorwenLaicoriel wrote: | | Miyazaki's Maidens? |
Really?
Do they exist?
wow
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Richard J.
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| Ceru wrote: | | Dude, you make it sound like it's 50 years old, hahaha. It's circa early 90's for pete's sake, it's no more than 15 years old. Of course people remember |
Remember? Hell, I watched and loved that show! Even have a bunch of toys from the earlier runs.
As for the "VA over creator" issue, I agree with irishninja's take on it. It's the difference between who is the line worker and who is the staff worker. The VA (whether English, Japanese, or other) is the "face" of the anime. They are the one who brings the emotional connection to a character and allows a person to really immerse themselves in the story.
While the creator is essentially the god of the anime, they are also rarely at the forefront of the story itself. CLAMP are very well known but they are big because of their amassed reputation from numerous successful series and while anyone checking out one of those series might want to learn more about them or check out other series they've made, there is no real connection to CLAMP themselves. When you watch Chobits or xxxHolic, you don't see the ladies of CLAMP in the series, they don't talk to you about the characters and you really don't connect with them at all.
In other words, it's just a matter of how far you take the connection. Most will not go beyond the characters they love but some will move beyond the characters to the "god" of the story, the creator who made those characters.
Also, can we keep the dub vs. sub crap out of this discussion folks? Unless you are a very insecure sub fan, you should not be surprised nor defensive about dub actors or dub fans or any issue regarding the popularity of English dubs in general. |
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