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NEWS: U.S. Senate Committee Approves New Net Copyright Bill

Xanas wrote:

So rather than having the industries defend themselves, we should have taxpayers paying to defend them. Brilliant.

Well, and I hate to make this comparison, but it's like when the state prosecutes on the side of a rape victim. I am aware of the differences, but there are also striking similarities. Including the powerlessness of the plaintiff.

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The US Senate is in Hollywood's pants in terms of not just money but also in terms of the influence of lobbying. Make no mistake the provision exists because of the tight relationship of key members of congress with Hollywood lobbyists.

This is, in and of itself, a horrid chain of thought. Project your reasoning elsewhere, and you can see it's the natural reaction of the market taking its due course... In the United States (and the entire world, I'm sure) gasoline saw a huge surge in price. A direct result was A.) less miles were driven during summer months (upwards of 18 billion, if my memory serves me correctly) and B.) large cars with poor gas mileage saw a decline in sales. Does this model sound familiar? A phantom price mark-up brought about the decline in purchasing of a good or service, and alternate routes were taken by the consumer to ensure their comfort (which is the highest importance in this whole debate, regardless of the sob stories and sad little violins being played by shills and planted forum goers) at the expense of a corrupted or unchanging corporation.

Gas saw a mark-up in price. So, under your chain of thoughts... people should have driven more? Gotten less fuel efficient cars? Dumped their money down the drain when better alternates were available? Because in your reasoning, that would have brought more gas to the US somehow, as if the market had more fluidity to it than it really does. No, it doesn't make any sense to think that way. They cater to us and our needs, or they themselves go down the drains.

Your comparison is horrible, both in accuracy and in tone.

I agree they are "powerless" insofar as they will never stop copying

So it is either get rid of the law all together since the industry is helpless to enforce it, or actually defend the laws they make.

How much have you "pirated" from online sources? Be honest. You've taken THOUSANDS of profit (I would be shocked if it was HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS).

joshjoshlol wrote:

This is, in and of itself, a horrid chain of thought. Project your reasoning elsewhere, and you can see it's the natural reaction of the market taking its due course... In the United States (and the entire world, I'm sure) gasoline saw a huge surge in price. A direct result was A.) less miles were driven during summer months (upwards of 18 billion, if my memory serves me correctly) and B.) large cars with poor gas mileage saw a decline in sales. Does this model sound familiar? A phantom price mark-up brought about the decline in purchasing of a good or service, and alternate routes were taken by the consumer to ensure their comfort (which is the highest importance in this whole debate, regardless of the sob stories and sad little violins being played by shills and planted forum goers) at the expense of a corrupted or unchanging corporation. Gas saw a mark-up in price. So, under your chain of thoughts... people should have driven more? Gotten less fuel efficient cars? Dumped their money down the drain when better alternates were available? Because in your reasoning, that would have brought more gas to the US somehow, as if the market had more fluidity to it than it really does. No, it doesn't make any sense to think that way. They cater to us and our needs, or they themselves go down the drains.

I don't know how long you have been around, from the looks of it not very. But anime has been getting less and less expensive for almost the last decade. In fact I have no problem calling it cheap these days. Your analogy falls on its face.

But we should have to. We're consumers of a very niche product with a very small fanbase. This isn't something along the lines of LOST, which makes up far more than it costs just through advertisements alone. This is a foreign production whose domestic profit already relies solely on DVD/merchandise sales, being marketed to an overseas market that's, by and large, solely dependent on said DVD sales. By the very nature of the product, it's going to cost more than any American television series would. And anyone still claiming that DVDs are "prohibitively expensive" is just doing it wrong; when you can buy entire 26-episode series for something like $30, I think the industry has managed to figure things out.

(Also, until Japan can get their anime to me with a quality English dub included, anyone spouting nonsense like "who needs R1 anyway" can go suck an egg.)

Aside from the most mainstream shows I don't see entire series going for $30 very often unless they were released years ago and are being re-released. Also are mainstream anime that run on TV during the day in Japan really that dependent on DVD sales? I can't image most long-running Shonen series depending mostly on DVD sales in Japan.