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NEWS: Director Akira Kurosawa's Final Script Gets Anime Film


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Egan Loo



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 1:22 pm Reply with quote
Proman wrote:
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Not zero — he still has the Honorary Award for lifetime achievement to his name. Regardless of whether he or Japan (or the USSR) earned the foreign film awards, he still has that Oscar to his name.


You are wrong on both counts. While the Academy Honorary Awards look like an Oscars (in most cases), they are not considered Oscar wins. It's an "Academy Honorary Award" not an "Oscar".


When actual statuettes are given, the Academy itself calls Honorary Awards "Oscars."

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who cares what he won or didn't win - he was a great filmmaker regardless.


That's definitely true.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 3:03 pm Reply with quote
Proman wrote:
Egan Loo wrote:

Not zero — he still has the Honorary Award for lifetime achievement to his name. Regardless of whether he or Japan (or the USSR) earned the foreign film awards, he still has that Oscar to his name.


You are wrong on both counts. While the Academy Honorary Awards look like an Oscars (in most cases), they are not considered Oscar wins. It's an "Academy Honorary Award" not an "Oscar".


When actual statuettes are given, the Academy itself calls Honorary Awards "Oscars."

Semantics. I stand corrected. The Academy may call them "Oscars" but they are not considered "wins", which is what I should have said.
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Egan Loo



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 4:22 pm Reply with quote
Proman wrote:
Egan Loo wrote:

When actual statuettes are given, the Academy itself calls Honorary Awards "Oscars."


Semantics. I stand corrected. The Academy may call them "Oscars" but they are not considered "wins", which is what I should have said.


As mentioned earlier, the Academy itself calls honorary Oscar awardees "winners," even if IMDB doesn't think so. This has all been a case of semantics by third parties when the Academy doesn't mind either way.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 6:35 pm Reply with quote
Okay, I'm a Literature teacher, I love Kurosawa,.. and I'm ANN so of course I enjoy anime.

I can't put into words how excited this makes me. Looks like maybe I have something to show my students in the future.
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Proman



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 7:08 pm Reply with quote
Egan Loo wrote:
Proman wrote:
Egan Loo wrote:

When actual statuettes are given, the Academy itself calls Honorary Awards "Oscars."


Semantics. I stand corrected. The Academy may call them "Oscars" but they are not considered "wins", which is what I should have said.


As mentioned earlier, the Academy itself calls honorary Oscar awardees "winners," even if IMDB doesn't think so. This has all been a case of semantics by third parties when the Academy doesn't mind either way.


Look Loo, this is kind of like when you deal with a law. There may be moments when you think you are right an dunderstand how the system works but you are not. There reason for your confusion is understandable as the Academy's own website isn't very constitent (this is not the first time this issue arose). Having dealt with Academy Awards rules and coverage I'm used to seeing both the mistakes and confusion.

I'll try to explain this as simply as I can. There is a difference between those awards that are won competetively and those that are awarded annually or from time to time (such as the Irving G. Thalberg Memorial Award). The Academy may call them honorary Academy Awards , Honorary Awards, etc (you may see yourself that in the links you provided those and different words are used almost interchangably and seemingly without care). It is semantics. It's the way they use "winner" that's causing the confusion. They maybe "won" in the sense that they have been awarded but they are not the same.

Read this and you may understand what I mean:
http://www.oscars.org/aboutacademyawards/awards/honorary01.html

That said, you are very much free to have your own opinion on the matter. I am not going to reply on this matter any more.
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Egan Loo



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 7:48 pm Reply with quote
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Look Loo, this is kind of like when you deal with a law. There may be moments when you think you are right an dunderstand how the system works but you are not. There reason for your confusion is understandable as the Academy's own website isn't very constitent (this is not the first time this issue arose). Having dealt with Academy Awards rules and coverage I'm used to seeing both the mistakes and confusion.

I'll try to explain this as simply as I can. There is a difference between those awards that are won competetively and those that are awarded annually or from time to time (such as the Irving G. Thalberg Memorial Award). The Academy may call them honorary Academy Awards , Honorary Awards, etc (you may see yourself that in the links you provided those and different words are used almost interchangably and seemingly without care). It is semantics. It's the way they use "winner" that's causing the confusion. They maybe "won" in the sense that they have been awarded but they are not the same.

Read this and you may understand what I mean:
http://www.oscars.org/aboutacademyawards/awards/honorary01.html


Yes, I read that link. I linked to it above when I pointed out that Kurosawa won an Oscar. Smile I'm pointing out that it's third-party individuals that are raising a fuss over semantics; the Academy itself doesn't mind either way. There are differences between how a competitive Oscar and an honorary Oscar are won — there is no confusion about that. But unlike the same third-party individuals, the Academy still calls both awards "Oscars" and both their recipients "Oscar winners." Kurosawa (with an "o") is an Oscar winner.
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You all are just arguing symantics. Sure, Dersu Uzala won the 1975 Best Foreign Lang film, but that category awards the country itself, and not the filmmaker. He DID receive the Honorary Award for Rashomon and the Lifetime Achievement Honorary Award.

Who cares if he did or didn't "win" an Oscar. Technically, in order to "win" something, you have to compete for it. But ALSO technically, the term "Oscar" is just another form of saying "Academy Award". The Honorary Award is still considered an "Academy Award," so he technically, he DID receive an oscar (2 in fact)... he just didn't "win" one.

And who cares anyways, the oscars are bullsh!t. You guys are arguing over this when he won Palme D'or for Kagemusha!

They're remaking Rashomon? WTF!?!

Next you're gonna tell me they'll be making a 24 episode adaptation of Citizen Kane.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 12:07 am Reply with quote
From Variety:

Los Angeles-based Harbor Light Entertainment and Tokyo-based Lotus have assembled an international consortium to remake helmer Akira Kurosawa’s 1950 classic "Rashomon."

Action will be moved from ancient Japan to contempo America, where a court must decide the facts about the rape of a woman and the murder of her husband.

Harbor Light and Lotus will be joined by L.A.’s Lexicon Filmed Entertainment and Singapore’s Upside Down Entertainment on the English-language project, "Rashomon 2010."

Harbor Light announced a "Rashomon" remake in 2001, but struggled to get the pic greenlit.

The partners are also gearing up to make "The Masque of Black Death," a feature toon based on an unproduced Kurosawa script penned in 1977.

The partners plan to have the remake and the toon in theaters in 2010 as part of a 100th anni celebration of Kurosawa’s birth.

Kurosawa planned to have Japanese anime auteur Osamu Tezuka make the pic, but the project never got off the ground before Kurosawa’s death in 1998.

Set in Russia in the early 20th century, "The Masque of Black Death" depicts a disease that kills most of the population.
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