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Westlo
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 Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 2:21 am |
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| mufurc wrote: | | Westlo wrote: | | So instead they piss off both fanbases which going by all reports on 2ch he did a good job of. |
Well, yeah. And good thing they did that. I like it when writers have the guts to say "bee-dah" to rabid fans instead of pandering to them - especially in a case like this.
Me, I'm pretty much sitting here, going "HA HA HA" - all the more so as both fanbases were so stupid about the whole thing, and their feud is so ridiculously bitter. |
You think this meant the writer had guts? Oh your poor deluded fool... if by "I can make heaps of cash by extending this show" is now what guts is than yes you may be right. Let's face it, the triangle carried this show and is the main draw, like it or not that's the truth of it. The way it ended screams to be continued and while I think the eventual winner is obvious it's not clear cut (hey people who watch FMP anime think both girls have a chance... lol!) and it will never be until the movie comes out in 2009/2010.
Also if I didn't give a crap about the triangle and this was the end I would also be pissed off. Why you might think? Well I would think the answer would be obvious to anyone with a brain cell. The damn triangle carried the show and was the main focus, imagine how much more character and story development and action scenes we could have got if the triangle was focused on less? So before you think "lol shippers" think about yourself first if you actually like the show. |
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mufurc
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| Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 5:40 am |
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| Westlo wrote: | | You think this meant the writer had guts? Oh your poor deluded fool... if by "I can make heaps of cash by extending this show" is now what guts is than yes you may be right. Let's face it, the triangle carried this show and is the main draw, like it or not that's the truth of it. The way it ended screams to be continued and while I think the eventual winner is obvious it's not clear cut (hey people who watch FMP anime think both girls have a chance... lol!) and it will never be until the movie comes out in 2009/2010. |
Oh thank you, master for your wise and enlightening words! Why, without you I would've never ever realized what was going on behind the curtains! Thank you for opening my eyes!
But I'm willing to bet that not even the movie will resolve the triangle. However angry both sides are right now, leaving the triangle open was the safest choice for the writers in the long run (because this way both sides can hope), and I don't think it's going to change for the movie. And yes, I still think it takes guts to end it this way instead of choosing to pander to one group of fans. (By the way, as I see it, it's the Sheryl/Alto side that's really disgruntled. I wonder why, if you're convinced that she'll be the eventual winner? ...don't bother to answer, it's a rhetoric question.)
Also, it's not like everyone hated the way it ended - only the more rabid shippers or fans of the girls. Everybody else either liked it or thought it was at least decent.
| Westlo wrote: | | Also if I didn't give a crap about the triangle and this was the end I would also be pissed off. Why you might think? Well I would think the answer would be obvious to anyone with a brain cell. The damn triangle carried the show and was the main focus, imagine how much more character and story development and action scenes we could have got if the triangle was focused on less? So before you think "lol shippers" think about yourself first if you actually like the show. |
Believe it or not, it's entirely possible to like a show centering around a love triangle and still be completely indifferent as to who ends up with whom. There are many things to enjoy in Macross F other than that "damn triangle" - and as far as the triangle goes, I really liked how they dealt with it. In fact, as someone who was much more interested in the Sheryl/Ranka relationship than in either girl's relationship with Alto, I loved this "resolution."
So yeah, if you don't mind, I'll just sit here and think "lol shippers." |
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Kimiko_0
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| Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 6:13 am |
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| jeromeskee wrote: | | The series has also had a decency to get really musical, to the point where the action is secondary to the music. |
Welcome to the Macross universe, where music trumps everything.
| Quote: | | Overall, I think Macross F has tried to rehash to many of the plot lines from the original Macross TV series. I don't think that this movie will be as great as Macross:DYRL, but it'll be solid. |
I beg to differ that DYRL was anywhere near 'great'. The original SDF Macross series was much better than the movie. |
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Westlo
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| Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 6:49 am |
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| mufurc wrote: | | Oh thank you, master for your wise and enlightening words! Why, without you I would've never ever realized what was going on behind the curtains! Thank you for opening my eyes! |
If you know the reason than why post something so retarded like it took guts when it's just a prolonged announcement so he can make a lot more cash?
| Quote: | | But I'm willing to bet that not even the movie will resolve the triangle. |
Yeah the KOR movie didn't resolve their triangle either :roll: Also neither do the FMP novels and other shows/novels/manga that end like Frontier did..
| Quote: | | However angry both sides are right now, leaving the triangle open was the safest choice for the writers in the long run (because this way both sides can hope), |
What next, the sky is blue?
| Quote: | | And yes, I still think it takes guts to end it this way instead of choosing to pander to one group of fans. |
Yeah it took real guts which is why he had a movie announcement the second after the episode ended. :roll:
| Quote: | | (By the way, as I see it, it's the Sheryl/Alto side that's really disgruntled. I wonder why, if you're convinced that she'll be the eventual winner? |
Because people without knowledge of Japanese go and cry after looking at screen caps. Also lol if you don't think the Ranka fanbase is pissed as well.
| Quote: | | Also, it's not like everyone hated the way it ended - only the more rabid shippers or fans of the girls. Everybody else either liked it or thought it was at least decent. |
Ah a perfect example of... if I say everybody else is like this it must be true :roll:
| Quote: | | Believe it or not, it's entirely possible to like a show centering around a love triangle and still be completely indifferent as to who ends up with whom. |
No way!
| Quote: | | There are many things to enjoy in Macross F other than that "damn triangle" So yeah, if you don't mind, I'll just sit here and think "lol shippers." |
Which could have been a lot better if the triangle didn't dominate proceedings so much, but lets just ignore the obvious flaws like the badly fleshed out Galaxy side, lack of development for minor characters and the disappointing amount and quality of action scenes so you laugh at shippers. All that stuff got sacrificed so they can focus on the triangle which was the focal point of the show. |
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edzieba
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| Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 8:15 am |
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Westlo: With such an undisguisedly rabid post, you're really not helping your own point here. Though your straightfaced replies to sarcasm indicates you may simply be trolling.
As for the ending: I LIKED that they did not go one way or the other with the triangle, and instead had Alto spurn BOTH sides in favour of flight in a real sky. Love stories don't always have to have a 'happily ever after' ending. |
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cetriya
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| Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 12:31 pm |
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| now that i've read your spolier, I'll go back and watch it since thats a good resolution for me.^^ |
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Obsessive Touga Fan
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| Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 7:54 pm |
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| mufurc wrote: | | Also, it's not like everyone hated the way it ended - only the more rabid shippers or fans of the girls. Everybody else either liked it or thought it was at least decent. |
I'm going to have to be a voice to the contrary. I'm not a shipper at all, and I don't particularly care which girl "wins", but it irritates me no end that the series' main plot thread (and face it, the series did a much better job of focusing on this than on the Vajra conflict) was ultimately given no resolution at all.
(kind of spoilers for Macross 7 and the original Macross) It bothers me in particular because this was also my biggest complaint about the ending of Macross 7, and I was hoping the staff of this show would have realised it was a mistake. The original series got this right. |
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DRWii
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| Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 10:54 am |
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| Personally, I really liked the ending. They managed to take an ending that I don't think anyone expected and made it feel perfectly natural (IMO). Not to mention it has that wonderful "Japanese ending" open-endedness to it. Besides, every "Macross" sequel I've seen so far has bucked the original formula in some way, so I figure this is just how "Frontier" continues that tradition. |
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