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NEWS: Rosario + Vampire Capu2 Censored by Two TV Stations


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Labbes



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 3:41 am Reply with quote
Espeon wrote:
Censorship is for newbs and little cry babies, if you don't like it don't watch it. I love fanservice cuase i'm over 18 and can handle some panties or breasts poping out.. If the show's made for fanservice leave it the hell alone. But atleast in some ways we can buy the uncut dvds once if ever it gets licensed Smile or by other means if it doesnt Smile


I don't want to offend you or anything, but the "don't like it, don't watch it" argument does not really count here. Remember there are parents who actually care for what their children see, and they don't like and don't watch it...but they have a right to tell their kids what to watch and what not to watch (to a certain degree). Now imagine you are working 10km away when this show airs. How would you check if your kid watches the show? Right, you can't. And that's exactly why it's being censored.

Edit: I don't even like censorship, even if it may seem that way. But while being totally (well, nearly) opposed to such measures, I can understand why they are still applied.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 3:57 am Reply with quote
mrsatan wrote:
Ziggybits wrote:
I don't get this. This is japan where talking about here. They have there own porn tv stations and everything. Why would they censor a couple of panty flashes? Do they think that this would boost their ratings or something?


When I lived in Japan 1999-2000, I saw nothing of the kind.
The only nudity I saw on TV was when American movies were played on TV.

Judging by the TV shows (live and animated) coming out of Japan from 20+ years ago and those made more recently, the broadcast standards seem to have become much stricter and is probably more-or-less on par with the U.S.


Yeah, recall Ranma 1/2 and all her naked breast shots in the early 90's primetime TV! Laughing

(Also, America has its own pr0n TVs and everything too yet still censors nudity. Clearly, the presence of pr0n TV is immaterial to what other channels' BS&Ps do.)


spoon89 wrote:
If the censorship goes through the entire second season, that would be seriously messed up and damn distracting, the ecchi part of the anime is what makes the anime what it is and besides, whats the big deal with showing the panties to the girls, it can't be helped if they wear such short skirts -.- And by the way, a few years ago, when i thought of japan, the first thing i could think of was upskirts, so why the hell are they censoring just a few panty shots in a bloody anime even though the country's school girls are popular for wearing skirts.


Hear hear! And it can't be helped when Japan has turned schoolgirl voyeurism into a legit mercantile pursuit (no really, there's even magazine publications for it). Yet here they thought anime is just fantasy when it obviously affects social norms! Laughing

(Or maybe it reflects it? Or both? Eh, who knows!)


bleuster wrote:
It's hard to really say anything without seeing it for ourselves. It would be nice if ANN would show what they're reporting on once in a while, but whatever.


At your service, from ANN's links of sources: boo - yah!


bleuster wrote:

If it was tasteful and not degrading the girls, then I don't see a problem. A little fanservice in a legit series is fine since most of the female characters are shown to be respected on some level or at least show that they hold on there own.
If they don't have a problem showing their body the way they want it and I want to watch, then fine. I don't care either way.


Heh, ya talk like the girls are actual living beings. Or that they even have a choice in the matter. Laughing


Labbes wrote:
Espeon wrote:
Censorship is for newbs and little cry babies, if you don't like it don't watch it. I love fanservice cuase i'm over 18 and can handle some panties or breasts poping out.. If the show's made for fanservice leave it the hell alone. But atleast in some ways we can buy the uncut dvds once if ever it gets licensed Smile or by other means if it doesnt Smile


I don't want to offend you or anything, but the "don't like it, don't watch it" argument does not really count here. Remember there are parents who actually care for what their children see, and they don't like and don't watch it...but they have a right to tell their kids what to watch and what not to watch (to a certain degree). Now imagine you are working 10km away when this show airs. How would you check if your kid watches the show? Right, you can't. And that's exactly why it's being censored.


I should keep this next time, say, 4kids censors anime. Cool
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 3:59 am Reply with quote
Labbes, that's an interesting point. I grew up watching Banned From Television videos and other nasty stuff, but my parents knew I could handle it. I love them for giving me that opportunity most kids never have.
I agree. When they can, parents should have complete control of what they see fit for their kids to see and not.
Does Japan have a rating system like the U.S. does? TVs can be programmed to "block" out mature rated shows. That would more-or-less solve the "away at work" issue parents bring up.

Still, some of what gets through can be a bit risque for kids. In the worse case scenario, you're never too young to be traumatized.
enurtsol wrote:
At your service, from ANN's links of sources: boo - yah!

That?! That's not fanservice, those are murfs! Ouch!
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 4:05 am Reply with quote
erm, it's pretty normal for tv stations to censor animes. It happens a lot for fanservice (Gurren Lagann, Negima) and also for violence (Higurashi, School Days...). It's the decision of the TV station, they're airing the series and they will have to take responsibility when they receive the complaints if there are any. So there is absolutely nothing wrong with them censoring inappropriate (to their eyes) content.

Those who want the uncensored version will have to get the DVDs - sometimes an edited TV version might also help to boost DVD sales, so might be good for the series as well Wink

PS: I think there is a difference between censoring unnecessary fanservice or splatter and censoring actuall knowledge or touchy subjects like suicide due to bullying or pressure (Shigofumi?). I absolutely don't agree with the second, but I don't care about the first.
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Conan-san



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 6:59 am Reply with quote
You know, they could of just, I dunno, digitaly extend the skirt length or something to that effect.

But Censorship needs to not be obvious otherwise it's a middle finger to your viewing experence. This is something that japan needs to get to learning.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 12:13 pm Reply with quote
*Snip* *Snip*

"Okay, what's left? Four and a half minutes? Great! More commercials!"

It's a pity they don't have higher standards against these evil and puerile excuses for entertainment. If only everyone would make laws that respect and honor women, the world would be a better place.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 1:53 pm Reply with quote
Labbes wrote:
Espeon wrote:
Censorship is for newbs and little cry babies, if you don't like it don't watch it. I love fanservice cuase i'm over 18 and can handle some panties or breasts poping out.. If the show's made for fanservice leave it the hell alone. But atleast in some ways we can buy the uncut dvds once if ever it gets licensed Smile or by other means if it doesnt Smile


I don't want to offend you or anything, but the "don't like it, don't watch it" argument does not really count here. Remember there are parents who actually care for what their children see, and they don't like and don't watch it...but they have a right to tell their kids what to watch and what not to watch (to a certain degree). Now imagine you are working 10km away when this show airs. How would you check if your kid watches the show? Right, you can't. And that's exactly why it's being censored.

Edit: I don't even like censorship, even if it may seem that way. But while being totally (well, nearly) opposed to such measures, I can understand why they are still applied.
That said kid would just have to watch another channel then.The uncensored version is out, btw.

I collect everything,R1,R2,bootlegs,fansubs,digisubs,and could give a **** less,if it's censored or not.Well,unless or course,the censored version is the only one available.I grabbed both versions to compare them.The censored version is pretty funny.At first I figured they were doing a contest with the bat count,through out the episode. Laughing They just censored a few,of the many "close-ups".

And to the thread:Why complain about fanservice? No one forced you to download them.There are also ways to lock the channels on T.V.s. Cable,Satalite,doesn't matter. (No one seems to care about that,though) Japan loves their "Pan-ti-me". It's not the worst fetish,going on right now.

It looked like a bit of the budget went into the ED.It was well animated.
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zanarkand princess



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 7:51 pm Reply with quote
I do think that japan is worried about all that "school girl worship" that seems to go on. That might be why it was censored. I mean it's like sure anime fan service is one thing but when people are taking pictures of school girls who are bending over to pick something up then that's another thing.
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MissingNYC



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 10:16 pm Reply with quote
GeneralArrow wrote:
Why would they sensor this and do anything about lolicon? Somethings not right here.


Indeed... i don't think show is bad, i haven't seen the 1st episode yet, but the 1st season wasn't bad (apparently they had a low budget??)
either way, it's fine uncensored
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 10:59 pm Reply with quote
Ziggybits wrote:
I don't get this. This is japan where talking about here. They have there own porn tv stations and everything. Why would they censor a couple of panty flashes? Do they think that this would boost their ratings or something?


Uh...hello? Not every channel in Japan is showing porn, you know. Just like anywhere else, some parts of Japan are conservative. Majority of anime shows are shown TV stations near Tokyo.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 11:37 pm Reply with quote
wow lol i actually saw this episode and i saw the first season and i will contiune to watch this second season, and i can honestly say that at least every 5 min there was atleast 2-3 pantie shots, everywhere you turned to lol but still the production has come a longgg way since the first season, i mean i just loved the ending dance just like haruhi's ending or lucky stars opening lol
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 12:58 am Reply with quote
Rei Sentoki wrote:
It's a pity they don't have higher standards against these evil and puerile excuses for entertainment. If only everyone would make laws that respect and honor women, the world would be a better place.


Please do not confuse the issues of censorship and gender equality. It is often the same people fighting both shows like this AND the issues of women in the middle east. The point of it is not about the quantity of skin shown; it's about respect and dignity. To me, the objectification of women that happens in anime and the tendency of Muslim extremists to externalize their personal problems on their women are equally disgusting. Anime is definitely one of my main hobbies, but too much fanservice will ruin a show for me.

On the contrary, strong female leads will often make a show for me. That's why BONES continues to be my favorite studio.

Now, in regards to this particular anime. I watched the first episode, just to have an informed opinion about it, and I was surprised at how much personality the show actually had above and beyond the panty shots. It's not really my cup of tea (for reasons stated in my first paragraph), but I can understand why the Aichi and Osaka regions would still want to show this, even censored. It's WAY better than half of the school romance crap out there.
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BleuVII wrote:
Rei Sentoki wrote:
It's a pity they don't have higher standards against these evil and puerile excuses for entertainment. If only everyone would make laws that respect and honor women, the world would be a better place.


Please do not confuse the issues of censorship and gender equality. It is often the same people fighting both shows like this AND the issues of women in the middle east. The point of it is not about the quantity of skin shown; it's about respect and dignity. To me, the objectification of women that happens in anime and the tendency of Muslim extremists to externalize their personal problems on their women are equally disgusting. Anime is definitely one of my main hobbies, but too much fanservice will ruin a show for me.

On the contrary, strong female leads will often make a show for me. That's why BONES continues to be my favorite studio.


Your comment rly made me feel awkward and i get the feeling that you are taking the fanservice thing as a really pointlessly unnecessary ingredient added into various romance animes nowadays, but what u don't seem to know is that, animes that are listed under the ecchi genre have a higher popularity than the romance animes that do not have a bit of ecchiness in them, i do not know whether the majority of boys that watch animes is far more than the girls or the ecchi genre just simply makes an anime more tempting to watch because it often involves comedy. The makers of ecchi anime only give the viewers what they want to see and ofcourse there are some people who don't like those kind of shows but that can't be helped, afterall no one can ever have a fixed agreement or point of view.

And seriously, i see a lot of comments got to do with the fact that the exposing of panties in animes is equal to a certain disregard/degrading of women, what the hell do u guys mean by that o_O, ecchi is in no way supposed to portray "BS" like that and that is why in many ecchi animes or probably all ecchi animes, the females are actually shown a lot of respect plus the fact that u can hardly ever find ugly animated female characters in ecchi, so please people, stop with the extreme negative comments.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 8:22 am Reply with quote
spoon89 wrote:
BleuVII wrote:
Rei Sentoki wrote:
It's a pity they don't have higher standards against these evil and puerile excuses for entertainment. If only everyone would make laws that respect and honor women, the world would be a better place.


Please do not confuse the issues of censorship and gender equality. It is often the same people fighting both shows like this AND the issues of women in the middle east. The point of it is not about the quantity of skin shown; it's about respect and dignity. To me, the objectification of women that happens in anime and the tendency of Muslim extremists to externalize their personal problems on their women are equally disgusting. Anime is definitely one of my main hobbies, but too much fanservice will ruin a show for me.

On the contrary, strong female leads will often make a show for me. That's why BONES continues to be my favorite studio.


Your comment rly made me feel awkward and i get the feeling that you are taking the fanservice thing as a really pointlessly unnecessary ingredient added into various romance animes nowadays, but what u don't seem to know is that, animes that are listed under the ecchi genre have a higher popularity than the romance animes that do not have a bit of ecchiness in them, i do not know whether the majority of boys that watch animes is far more than the girls or the ecchi genre just simply makes an anime more tempting to watch because it often involves comedy. The makers of ecchi anime only give the viewers what they want to see and ofcourse there are some people who don't like those kind of shows but that can't be helped, afterall no one can ever have a fixed agreement or point of view.

And seriously, i see a lot of comments got to do with the fact that the exposing of panties in animes is equal to a certain disregard/degrading of women, what the hell do u guys mean by that o_O, ecchi is in no way supposed to portray "BS" like that and that is why in many ecchi animes or probably all ecchi animes, the females are actually shown a lot of respect plus the fact that u can hardly ever find ugly animated female characters in ecchi, so please people, stop with the extreme negative comments.


As I said, it's not about the quantity of skin, but the respect involved. Whether romantic "harem" comedies have panty shots or not doesn't really matter to me, because with ultra-rare exceptions, I don't watch romantic comedies. I have, however, seen the first episode of many of them, since I usually check out the new anime each season. The reason I find it disrespectful is because it puts unhealthy relationship balances in the spotlight. I mean, what characters does the typical romantic comedy feature?

1. Cookie-cutter male who can barely talk to girls, and whose only real skill is being able to turn red and sweat.
2a. A quiet shy girl who represents the "ideal" woman. Has no desires of her own aside from pleasing the cookie-cutter male and escaping the numerous dangerous situations she gets put into. Is slightly to majorly naive.
or
2b. An obnoxiously loud girl who stampedes through life, yet because of her exceptional beauty, causes the cookie-cutter male to fall in love with her.
3. Often a combination of 2a and 2b

And that is what's there every time! When was the last time you saw a female with a goal? When is the last time you saw a relationship in these anime that was mutually beneficial? When have you seen a girl who has it together fall for the guy because of his inner strength and integrity? Instead, the women are objectified as "potentials" for the lead, rather than as thinking and feeling women. They are degraded by the animators who put them into embarrassing situations which sometimes includes ecchi.

Now, as a teacher, I work every day with Japanese schoolgirls. And they are not like that. I feel bad for them, because some of the boys, who watch anime like this, really do treat them in the same way that the main characters of these anime do, and those poor girls don't deserve it.

I could go on, but I won't. My views do not reflect the views of the larger community. So anime like this will keep getting made, and Rosario + Vampire is not the worst by far. As I said, though I don't like this subgenre in general, I could tell that this show had a bit more pizazz than its kin, and I can understand why two stations would censor the ecchi bits and show it for its story.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 5:06 pm Reply with quote
BleuVII wrote:
*awesomeness*

Very well said. I share a lot of the sentiments that you expressed, which is why the harem/romantic comedy genre as a whole is of zero interest to me. If what you say is true, and this show actually has some redeeming elements beyond creepy underage fanservice, the inclusion of that fanservice is all the more irritating. I have nothing at all against fanservice as a whole, but deliberately pandering to a certain rather disturbing segment of the populace for the interest of more viewers is completely off-putting. It's even more troubling that this sort of sentiment seems to have spilled over into some of the students you interact with.

(Also, I can see from your avatar that you know just where to find series that actually portray romantic development competently. Smile)
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