Forum - View topicThe Fall 2008 Anime Preview Guide Part 1
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dangerwhat
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wait. What Nyannyan song? o.o sorry, missed that one. I had those ads on my blog but it never seemed to generate any revenue, so whatever. Its a blog. I don't need to make money writing about my life and opinions xD Kannagi seemed promising. As did Linebarrel. But thats always what I hate about this time of year. I see the first episode and its like, well, I want to see the second episode but I can't tell yet if its going to be a good series. These shows tend to ramp up pretty slow, it seems. |
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zanarkand princess
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well are they doing follow ups to? I know episode two of toradora comes out today but I doubt they have time to with all the new series coming out.
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Dorcas_Aurelia
 Posts: 5344 Location: Philly |
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This Nyannyan song. (I'm assuming the it's the right one, YouTube hates me). |
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frentymon
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Last season, they did episode 2's to some (not all) of the series they did episode 1's for. While the first episode often isn't a great gauge of the show as a whole, the second episode generally tells you whether you want to keep on watching or drop the show, and can be a necessary update for certain shows. |
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pparker
 Posts: 1185 Location: Florida |
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My primary point was about keeping in mind that not everyone has seen every series released in the last ten years. Obviously one should be honest, but if all you have to say is that it's "just like every other X-genre series in the last ten years, and BTW the whole genre sucks anyway", then you should probably just take a pass on reviewing that show. The Ebert quote is classic, and I did chuckle. But you see, I don't see it as cynical. It's quite clever, but I don't feel any animosity towards the fan on Ebert's part. Yes, he's poking fun, but he's not being mean about it. I only made the bitch slap comment because Zac normally is scathing but much more elegant in his attacks. I am familiar with his style. Both the Linebarrel review and the Clannad review parody were very funny. Not going to belabor this point. I'm sure everyone gets it. |
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Animehermit
 Posts: 964 Location: The Argama |
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you don't seem to realize the difference between Ebert and the ANN reviewers, Ebert does film while ANN deals with mostly TV anime. Its like comparing apples and oranges. Film is often times made for the art, not for cash(and the ones that are tend to be more original than most anime, as American audiences don't wanna see the same blockbuster 1000 times), anime is made for cash and the more you can produce the more money you can make, so what do you do? you ripoff better shows. which is how 90% of anime get made, this is marketing, you find whats popular and make a duplicate. In anime its so obvious because we get the same stories YEAR AFTER YEAR. Maybe Casey likes moe when its really good, I know i like shonen when its really well done. I for one wanna know if an anime title is generic moe #4857948374343785748758 or if its really well done and original. |
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Dorcas_Aurelia
Posts: 5344 Location: Philly |
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No, it's like comparing apples to apples. Movies and anime are both a medium, not a genre. Ebert has to wade through as much crap made solely for monetary purposes to get to the original artistic stuff as someone reviewing anime. Just like anime fans complain how unoriginal harem comedies or shonen slugfests are, movie-goers regularly complain about crappy remakes and derivative sequels. |
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pparker
Posts: 1185 Location: Florida |
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I'm sorry, but what you're saying is pretty far out there. Having been close to the movie biz for quite a few years and having worked on a business plan for a film, I can say that virtually no one makes movies without at least some expectation that it will earn back its cost. It's a business, not a fine art except in very extreme cases. Yes, there are vanity projects (and David Lynch and Oliver Stone these days), but otherwise the movie or TV industry is very similar to the anime industry in terms of producing art for profit. A serious beginning filmmaker may produce calling card films with little hope of getting paid. In anime terms, though, that's the mangaka. Anime isn't something you produce in a weekend with the camcorder you bought at Best Buy and 3 theater friends. I've never heard anyone mention an "independent anime" industry, which is why there may be a difference in perception between live action and animation commercialism.
Exactly. |
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Zin5ki
 Posts: 6680 Location: London, UK |
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I'm not familiar with previews consisting of early reviews with a quantitative element, but I'll accept this being the case here so long as these little reviews aren't official to the extent that those for DVD releases (etc) are. |
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Leebo
 Posts: 660 Location: Somerville, MA |
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They're previews in the sense that they're only for the first few episodes, but they're reviews in the sense that they give opinions. The first part you quoted is to remind people that scores are for individual episodes, not the whole series. |
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Animehermit
Posts: 964 Location: The Argama |
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yes, both anime and Movies are mediums in which to tell a story, but, they are different mediums. you don't Ebert reviewing TV shows do you? You don't see ANN review American movies or TV shows? because they are different mediums, with different people reviewing them. The Movies that are well made usually do well, thats the main difference between anime and film. American Audiences know when something is crap so they don't see it, a lot of anime is garbage but the audience doesn't know the difference. and the anime that don't do well generally are the better ones(IE Cowboy Bebop and Berserk, in japan). Since anime is rather niche market a lot of new fans don't know that this generic shonen slugfest is just like every other show in its genre, so it gets severely over rated(IE Naruto). In short anime is a niche industry while film is more universal. Ebert gave thumbs up to a lot of really bad films, and on the whole usually likes most of the movies he reviews while when he gets a spectacular film (like Fight Club, American History X, or Funny Games) he generally doesn't like it very much, i don't put too much stock in him as a film critic. |
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Dorcas_Aurelia
Posts: 5344 Location: Philly |
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What about when you have an anime movie like Spirited Away? |
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Animehermit
Posts: 964 Location: The Argama |
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its cross medium storytelling similar in part to the animatrix and Batman: Gotham Knight. If you think for a second that Ebert would have reviewed the movie if it weren't being released by an American company you'd be wrong. Mostly Anime just sticks to anime rviewers, but when something gets pushed by a big enough company it gets globally recognized. |
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Vortextk
 Posts: 892 Location: Orlando, Fl |
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No...no...no no no... No. Patriotism is one thing, blind ignorance is something else entirely. |
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frentymon
Forums Superstar
Posts: 2362 Location: San Francisco |
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What?? These titles are the exception, not the rule. Do you think Japanese audiences are retarded or what? Better quality shows generally do better, and crap generally does worse. It's hardly that different from the States or anywhere else for that matter.
Right...and what makes you a better judge of a good or a bad film than a well respected film critic like Ebert? |
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