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archaron Subscriber Posts: 401 |
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The only way I know free speech was ever limited is when it put others in danger. For example you can't yell fire in a crowed movie theater if their is no fire. Just because a view is unpopular does not make it illegal to say. Being arrested for having manga, come on, with all of the problems in this country we have the government wasting time and money on stuff like this. They need to let this guy out and apologize to him. By all means, let's go let out some murders out of jail and arrest people for having manga and different pieces of art! 
For more information on the case go to : http://www.cbldf.org/ source-- DEL REY MANGA NEWSLETTER |
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| cyberbeing Posts: 78 |
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I think you should read the article again. No one got 20 years in prison. It hasn't even gone to trial yet. 
I also seriously hope you were being sarcastic in the rest of your post... |
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Takeyo Posts: 110 |
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I hate to disrupt your puritanical revelry, but you might want to go back and read the news item. This guy hasn't even been convicted, let alone sentences. Plus (as others have mentioned), the post doesn't go into detail able what the allegedly (and subjectively) obscene material was. It could very well have been anime or manga that you, yourself, enjoy. |
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| Fronzel Posts: 466 |
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| I'm so glad the government is putting so much effort into prosecuting someone for doing something that makes other people uncomfortable.
Because that's how free societies work. Great. Thanks. |
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| monkeyvoodoo Posts: 2 Location: CA, USA |
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And what makes a collection "extreme"? Once you outlaw something, it only makes it easier for something not as bad to be outlawed as well. Laws are easily and frequently created, but they don't go away so easily or frequently... |
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Top Gun Posts: 1194 |
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| The whole concept of loli/shotacon doesn't exactly sit well with me at all, but in the end, all it really is is a bunch of ink lines on a piece of paper. I was under the impression that child pornography laws existed for the purpose of preventing minors from being sexually abused...and rightly so. However, when it comes to artwork, there's no abuse going on in the first place. If there's no actual harm taking place, and no justifiable potential for harm, what sort of crime is being committed?
Now, the whole "interstate commerce" aspect does add somewhat of a wrinkle, since that's when federal jurisdiction comes into play in the first place. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out from a purely legal standpoint. (By the way, anyone else find it amusing that the CBLDF's logo seems a bit...Third Reich-ish?  ) |
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| burzmali Posts: 143 |
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If you check what he was convicted of, the only charge was under 1466A, same as this guy.
I don't think that it's the same either, but anyway you slice it and dice it, it's the same law being applied.
Last time, Whorley was only targeted because he has CP as well, now a large collection by itself is enough. What's next?
The facts aren't likely to be in dispute in this case, only the jury's interpretation of them. |
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| Fronzel Posts: 466 |
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The roots of the use of the eagle in both American and German (Nazi and otherwise) symbology both go back to the Roman Empire, so it's not really a surprise. The logo is kinda unfriendly, though. |
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| testorschoice Posts: 465 |
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That's actually the same press release that was in the ANN article: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/ |
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| archaronSubscriber Posts: 401 |
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My bad |
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walw6pK4Alo Posts: 1646 |
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| In my understanding, those 3d generated images made to look like real-life, or when you take real pictures and photoshop them to appear as cartoons fall far closer to real child-porn that any loli or shota doujinshi ever could. You can even say they're human with the facial proportions they usually have, maybe human in some weird cute bizarro-earth, but not this one.
I hate seeing cases like this because there's no victim of the crime except the one having charges brought against him. There's no crime being committed that will ruin anyone else. And to play the logical fallacy of the slippery-slope doesn't work. Millions of Japanese otaku purchase lolicon and shotacon doujinshi and do so with great vigor, but that doesn't mean they're all basement-dwelling NEETs. No real world living child was hurt, no crime, and to say it could lead anywhere else is Orwellian thought-crime. |
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| GATSU Posts: 8412 |
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Aren't they supposed to be tracking bombs? Ghst:
That store owner in TX didn't, so don't bet on it. cyber: Whatever precedent this sets would be at the state level. Patachu: In the Bible Belt, the only kind of Dems who win are fundies, too. That's part of why Obama's playing his Christianity card. Anyway, that fact might work against the authorities, if they're that much of a Dem stronghold. Teriyaki:
Yeah, he needs more fine upstanding citizens role models, like corporations which extort us for $700 billion. :roll: Also, any interested parties not bankrupted by this economy can donate to CBLDF. [/quote] Last edited by GATSU on Fri Oct 10, 2008 1:54 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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| CaitSubscriber Posts: 312 |
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I think the bigger issue is that the goverment is going after an individual for purchasing what is basically a commercially available product instead of going after the suppliers, manufacturers or artists. It isn't like this guy comissioned these works into existence. But you're right, I think the interstate or more importantly international shipping laws are what is going to be the trickiest part of the case. When you ship goods between countries it is explicitly stated that it is against the law to transfer items that are "obscene" across borders. Of course "obscene" is so subjective how are you supposed to prosecute it in a fair manner? The FEDEX listing for "prohibited" materials for international shipping: http://www.fedex.com/ Pornography is #12. |
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| saishokushugisha Editor, Anime Insider  Posts: 100 Location: USA |
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| His case actually started in 2006, which is when his house was raided.
The language of the legal briefs does make it clear that he is NOT being charged for the parts of his collection that were just some regular manga. He's only being charged for the parts that depicted extremely explicit sexual behavior on the part of people who were, in the opinion of the court, underage. So yes, we're definitely talking porn here. The vital parts we don't know are how much of his collection is being charged and what titles they are. So with that info missing, it's really hard for me to know how to feel. Maybe he had Japanese kiddie porn, maybe not. I don't have enough facts to decide. |
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Hexon.Arq Posts: 71 |
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I agree. Seig Heil! |
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