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NEWS: UNICEF Japan Continues Push against Virtual Child Porn


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Kougeru



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 1:16 pm Reply with quote
walw6pK4Alo wrote:
"Virtual" child pornography if we're discussing anime and manga isn't nearly the same as the real thing. We've had this debate too many times, and I'll keep saying it, NO REAL CHILD WAS HURT, ABUSED, OR EXPLOITED. And to say that it could lead to actual child abuse is thought crime, and you're a fascist.

And to say that there were victims, you'd have to prove that anime and manga children are real people.
I agree
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abynormal



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 1:23 pm Reply with quote
Warstar77 wrote:


guys with Taro Aso, happens to be an anime/manga fan and he will not let the moviement going any where and he's leader of japan and he will not allow it and ruin it for the people worldwide who love manga/anime/games. and anime/manga fans of japan and world will try to tell him to help stop the virtual child porn and he will got UNICEF of japan for try to take something away from the fans that they love


I love movies, but does that mean I have to protest when the video store removes its adult section? Of course not. I also love reading, but can't stand mystery novels.

Just because you're a fan of something doesn't mean you're also a fan of everything within that category.

Anime is still fighting the misconception that it's all violent porn and children's cartoons. It doesn't need "fans" defending animated / drawn child porn making its image even worse.

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Warstar77



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 1:28 pm Reply with quote
there are anime fans in govement and fans around world who watch anime and mangas and companies are going to be opposed to vitutal child porn ban trust me even if anime and manga fans and other people will UNICEF from going on the plane to world conference thing. There will protest from anime/manga and people stop at nothing to stop it and its going to be anime/manga fans and companies vs UNICEF of japan and we fans have rights and they can't take that away. You now let pubic vote on this thing. The ban will not happen. There will be threats and than there is one thing to do it hire a guy to break in and take virutal child porn ban paper thing and steal it from UNICEF of japan and put it in chest and than wrap in chains tied to a large block and throw it in the oceans deepiest waters Anime hyper
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Warstar77



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 1:37 pm Reply with quote
the thing wont happen because there will people opposed to it and anime/manga/games and companies to stop and nothing to stop the ban from things place and even we must protest and stop UNICEF of japan going plane to the world conference and even if we must hire a guy to steal the UNICEF of japan papers of virtual child porn ban thing and throw it in a chest and put a chain around the chest and tie to a large rock and throw it in the oceans deepist waters
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zanarkand princess



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 1:38 pm Reply with quote
Just because Taro Aso is an anime fan doesn't mean he likes all types and that may include lolicon I don't like lolicon and if I was in his position I wouldn't go out of my way to save it. Also even if he does agree with the whole "it's not real" argument why would he want to speak out against it and portray himself as a lolicon? That's not really a good public image for him to have and it's not something he would shout out proudly. Also as the prime minister of japan I highly doubt this is on the top of his agenda at all Rolling Eyes
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abynormal



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 1:43 pm Reply with quote
Warstar77 wrote:
the thing wont happen because there will people opposed to it and anime/manga/games and companies to stop and nothing to stop the ban from things place and even we must protest and stop UNICEF of japan going plane to the world conference and even if we must hire a guy to steal the UNICEF of japan papers of virtual child porn ban thing and throw it in a chest and put a chain around the chest and tie to a large rock and throw it in the oceans deepist waters


Punctuation, please?
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Panda Man



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 2:15 pm Reply with quote
icepick314 wrote:
don't they have to save starving children in Rwanda instead of worrying about what otakus like myself is doing at privacy of my home?

someone needs to have their priorities straight...


I agree, even if this does somehow get passed, there are simple ways to get away with it. Just have a short bio at the beginning saying that the character is 18 or something. I doubt it will go through, but if it does, they might as well make it illegal to have murder in games and anime.
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zanarkand princess



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 2:26 pm Reply with quote
Well I found a source (but it's in japanese) Yomiuri
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testorschoice



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 3:03 pm Reply with quote
zanarkand princess wrote:
Well I found a source (but it's in japanese) Yomiuri


That's the exact same Japanese source that's in the ANN article.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 3:25 pm Reply with quote
Apart from the fact that this sort of ban would be unenforcable (scanlations & doujinshi are illegal too after all - & they still get around), note that the Japanese govt has decided to "Study the issue for 3 years"!!!
C'mon this is the same country that has been conducting "scientific study of whales" for a few decades now.
What do you think is going to be the result of 3 years of studying the effect of virtual kiddie porn?

Ano, the study was not conclusive so in order not create unneccesary adverse effects in our manga industry, we shall study this very important issue for another 3 years .... omakasette kudasai...
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Warstar77



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 3:44 pm Reply with quote
ok guys the virtual child porn ban will not take effect and there is no such thing as virutal child porn besides i think there going after the adult anime not mature or teenage or older children its that adult one they are after.
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zanarkand princess



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 3:47 pm Reply with quote
testorschoice wrote:
zanarkand princess wrote:
Well I found a source (but it's in japanese) Yomiuri


That's the exact same Japanese source that's in the ANN article.
i didn't notice it in the article
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neko ewen



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 4:14 pm Reply with quote
The other thing is, if you criminalize something, in theory the police are going to be obliged to dedicate resources to finding and prosecuting people who do it.

A few years ago elements in the U.S. government were basically forcing the FBI to go after pornography. Not child pornography, but pornography in general. One of the high-ups in the organization was flabbergasted by this, and basically said, "Well, since they think we have time for this, I guess that whole War on Terror thing is all wrapped up?"

Prove that there's some kind of harm done, or you're wasting public resources that could be used for more important things.
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Panda Man



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 5:11 pm Reply with quote
Warstar77 wrote:
ok guys the virtual child porn ban will not take effect and there is no such thing as virutal child porn besides i think there going after the adult anime not mature or teenage or older children its that adult one they are after.


The reason people are worried is because if one groups starts doing stuff like this, then more will pop up. Its like a disease, once someon gets it, the rest of the world gets it. Also, if the US UNICEF starts this, then people will be like, what is virtual child porn? They will look online, and see anime, thus, starting the misconception that happen in the 80s and 90s.
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Gakon-san



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 10:08 pm Reply with quote
First of sorry for my English, I registered to write this.

I don't think this law will ever come though, since the industry on that sector is far to big. IF this law would ever be passed, studios like feng etc. would have to be shut down, this would cause unemployment income loss etc. there are many people that buy these games and artists (Studios) that draw them. There are 5-10 H games released every month and the Japanese have fun playing them. Also Dojins etc. If you go to Akiba every store has an adult section some are adult only. The Japanese government can't allow a law like this since the Japanese economy is having problems at the moment, so they need every yen.

There are already complains about this law, so I doubt it will ever come in.
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