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CCSYueh Posts: 1913 Location: San Diego, CA |
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So being a manga-ka isn't a job because they work whatever hours they want? Anime isn't a job for all those slaving away being paid by the piece? So my picking cherries when I was 12 wasn't a job because I could work whenever & got paid by the pound & not by the hour? You better re-think your definition of job, dude. Your mom know(knew) you don't feel she worked being a parent because there were no set hours & no pay by thbe standard most people conceive of pay? And someone better tell Uncle Sam & end this scam of contractors declaring their work as a job.
1-That isn't exactly a hot new title. It took a bit-2 yrs & the release was 8/04-11/05 for the singles so you're draging out a title that's 4 yrs old? That's about the time Geneon was releasing their Sailor Moon titles in their Signature series
Cosplay Complex, Spectral Force, Magical Play, Maps, Arc the Lad? More bankable than all of Geneon's stuff?
Your opinion. Which seems to be all titles aimed at females are crap.
Do you remember Governor Wilson? I sure do. Hell, NOTHING we saw with Arnold compared the the grief THAT man caused at budget time. People just plain NOT PAID. Services cut.
Like Bush? Do you really think the gas thing was about anything other than Bush getting that offshore drilling ban pulled as he planned? It was apparently one of the last things he hadn't managed to do. Like McCain? I remember the Keating 5 stuff well enough.
So Geneon's to blame Gonzo decided to animate Hellsing before the manga was finished? I thought making anime of unfinished manga titles was pretty much business as usual in the anime industry. Hell, I hear Full Moon had all of 1 volume out when the anime was initiated. Sort of like Naruto restarting a whole new title, huh? Or all the filler we see because the anime catches up with the manga. Or the recently announced continuation of Full Metal Alchemist. Geneon's behind all of it. Yep.
Like Full Metal. Like Naruto. It's Geneon's fault.
Which is why Media Blasters manages to get so many Japanese extras on their dvds. Because it's so hard to get them. Or maybe ADV was always more interested in promoting the English side of the dvd. Oh, and MB has been picking up dropped titles for awhile, not just recently. They re-released Here is Greenwood awhile back.
Can't have it both ways. It can't be crap when Geneon released it & worthy now ADV's picked it up.
... So all these people praising Story of Saiunkoku, comparing it to 12 Kingdoms are idiots because Saiunkoku is a turd. 3 seasons of Kyo Kara Maoh & it's a turd. Because Gatsu knows anime better than everyone
So why did they pay what one can assume is a prmium price for name-brand artists to design the characters? Why is there official art by Clamp for the title?
I run into lots of people following these titles & loving them. I'm in the XxxHolic is better, but Tsubasa has its charm.
From this site's encyclopedia Hiroyuki Imaishi: Gurren Lagann (TV) : Director, Storyboard (Ep 1, 8, 27), Episode Director (Ep 27), Episode Title Font Design (Ep 1-8), Eyecatch Illustration (Ep 1) Dead Leaves (OAV) : Director, Character Design, Animation director, Key Animation You were saying? I say there's more Dead Leaves than Birth to Gurren Lagann if the DIRECTOR is the same person on Gurren Lagann & Dead Leaves
It was an executive decision made in Japan. Dentsu had to buy back stock from that car company (was it Mitsubishi?) & in typical corporate style, heaven forbid they take a loss. Better to cut costs than upset stockholders/business partners/whoever Dentsu was trying to keep happy. Maybe they looked at the evnironment in the US & decided things were sliding south so better to close down the American offices. If it were as unprofitable as you're making out, they wouldn't have been trying to make a deal with someone here for distribution, much less interested in inking a distribution deal with a different company. They'd have sold off all their titles to licensees here which they didn't do. They inked a distribution deal. The ADV titles were sold to Funi in a different sort of a deal. ADV retains no right beyond the english tracks unless Funi chooses to re-dub them. It makes more sense for ADV to sell the tracks since they're doing ADV no good & Funi wouldn't have to re-dub them, but it is up to the parties involved. |
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Mokona:
No, that Geneon fell further than ADV.
Well, there's no relationship between what I said and Le Chevalier, but I don't consider your response to be trolling.
It indicates that I'm mostly right. While there were a few gems, they got lost amidst the generic and mediocre junk, and got promoted in the same vein. Yueh:
Manga artists don't normally choose the hours they want, unless they're established enough to do so.
It's a job, because they're also getting paid for factors such as time contributed for being there, if not by the hour per se. You don't actually have to go to Canada or even the cons to work for ANN. Plus, ANN can update whenever it wants, while being a manga or anime artist means having a regular schedule.
If it's not on a regular basis, no. [Google Cesar Chavez, if you wanna know what picking fruit for a living really involves.]
You don't become a parent expecting compensation. It's volunteer work, as those scumbags in Nebraska will attest.
Definitely the ones running Iraq, anyway.
Getbackers was more popular than Saiyuki, anyway.
Given the companies' respective histories, yes.
No, just the ones which are about fawning over other guys.
So hospitals being shut down and schools being slashed of staff=nothing in your eyes?
You do remember Arnie endorsed Bush in '04, right?
No, but they're to blame for trying to take advantage of that fact.
FMA was closed-ended within the arc of the manga. Naruto continues in a new series, and isn't just a reboot.
They get extras on some dvds, not all of them.
It's crap, but cheap crap, as I said before.
They got three more seasons of Tenchi than most people even want! As for Saiunkoku, it might be decent, but it's not
I'm assuming they got the art for free, in exchange for that credit.
I've seen more people into Vampire Knight nowadays than CLAMP.
I'm still saying what everyone is saying, which is that GL is an homage to old sci-fi anime! Just because the Dead Leaves guy is involved doesn't mean he's exclusively paying tribute to that OVA!
The fact that they relegated distribution to someone else means the company became at least less profitable.
They may not have sold off their library, but they're still dumping excess inventory on other companies, which probably means that they're taking some sort of loss in exchange for financial solvency. |
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MokonaModoki Subscriber Posts: 417 Location: Austin, Texas |
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That would be true if the referenced timeframe that you were responding to was mid-07 to mid-08. But "from 2005 to 2007" was explicitly stated.
You implied that a review of Karin was a mechanism by which Geneon's entire catalog could be judged. I responded that a glowing review of Black Lagoon shatters that point. Black Lagoon is arguably (and subjectively - my opinion only) Geneon's best title. You replied "If most of their shows were like Black Lagoon, and not like Karin, then you'd be right." Which was where I pointed out that not all ADV shows are their best show. I consider that to be Chevalier. I could have used Wallflower to pander to you. I did not. The point obviously was that the standards you are using to judge Geneon would fail to make ADV appear any different. That was the conceivable relationship. I apologize for not realizing it would need to be spelled out. At that point your reply was "that just means they're able to balance niche titles with bankable titles better than Geneon". A statement which can't be proven or disproven without an exhaustive review of the market performance of all titles in both companies catalogs, definitely isn't proven be the preceding discourse, and is completely unrelated to any notion that either company can be judged by the quality of any specific title. It's a false, unsupportable, inflammatory statement which you know to be exactly that which serves no purpose but to shift the discussion away from a losing position. Making statements that you know to be false for no other reason to excite response is a pretty effective definition of trolling. If you didn't know it to be false on its face, it would imply something much worse about you than trolling, and I wouldn't descend to saying it.
Shockingly this is almost true for both ADV and Geneon, except that I have no problem identifying my subjective gems from each. I'll say this much. You entered this topic from a presumably reasonable viewpoint that Sojitz screwed ADV. It's objectively true. ARM pulling their licenses from ADV and transferring them to Funimation harmed ADV's business and inconvenienced the consumer to a great extent. It's a standpoint I agree with. At the very least I believe that JCI (Sojitz, et al) should have come up with a much better resolution to their issues than what they settled on. But supporting your position with deliberately inflammatory and false statements, and then extending them into an extended discussion of ADV's relative merits vs Geneon, which you continue to assert vis a vis inflammatory and false statements *is* trolling. You know very well that it isn't true that every Geneon title is a turd, and you know very well that they are many people that like them, but you continue to insist otherwise for no other reason to excite response. It's trolling. It's why so many of your discussions end with "I'm not going to continue to reply to your trolling". I agreed with your initial position, and I tried to temper it with some objective data, but I'm not going to continue to reply to your trolling. |
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Mokona:
Your stats indicated that Geneon's sales were worse from 2005-2007 than ADV's sales during that same period.
I don't, either, but I was using the standards of overall quality, not just entertainment value.
Sorry, but Geneon just licensed whatever the hell they could, and didn't care about its reception, as long as their stuff was on the shelves. ADV at least tried to generally license stuff they believed in, and only occasionally went for the mediocrities to pay the bills.
It's proven by the company's rebound.
Actually, I do have titles from the latter company, too. But I really get tired of all this hate against a quality company which, all things considered, got screwed in a similar way to CPM, while another company which 'everyone' liked simply bailed out on them first. |
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