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Fabe Posts: 80 |
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| Not that I support Crunchrolls past actions but isn't this whole affair ending up just like Napster? Napster started out as a huge music pirating site that downloaders loved and the industry hated,they sued napster but then a deal was stuck and every body won. looks like the same thing might happen here. | ||||
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eaglestorm Posts: 46 |
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It is just an evolution of things. If the industry fails to heed the changes in technology and keeps trying to stick to their tired and old formula, they are certainly bound for the graveyards of failures. Embrace new technologies and be pro-active. Pointing fingers and clinging to failing business models won't get them anywhere. |
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| Shadowlord Posts: 37 |
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BUT most of the anime I watch are NOT released on DVD in my country, so I can't buy them. Further, people can't get the quality of many fansubs on DVD - you would have to switch to blu-ray. But getting your favorite series on blu-ray is even more difficult or even impossible. Also, many monitors do not support the copy protection of blu-ray. Low quality streams won't render fansubs useless. I think - yes, I cannot prove it - that it's the casual anime fan who watches anime over streaming sites, because it's easy to access - and it's the hardcore anime fan who either buys DVDs or watches HQ-fansubs - or both. And don't underestimate the size of the fansub community which is not limited to BitTorrent. I think we all know fansubs are spread via almost any file sharing program, one-click-hosters, DDL, FTP and so on. Just look how many people share fansubs via "outdated" file sharing tools like DirectConnect or IRC. People from many countries watch english fansubs and there are also groups in other countries who fansub in languages other than English. You can't measure the size of the fansub community just on one BitTorrent tracker. What's so bad about commercials? If it's possible to save the video, you could try to remove the commercial. Personally, I think, if it's the right kind of commercials, I would gladly watch them. Like commercials for anime merchandise, new movies, games or CDs. I don't see the relation between commercials and DRM. If you don't want to see commercials - just look away. Check your e-mail while it's running, go to the toilet or feed your pet. Millions of people worldwide watch commercial sponsored free TV. Sure, also many people hate commercials - but, as I said, just look away if you really cannot stand it. In exchange you get something for free. Naruto and so on on japanese television are also commercial sponsored if I'm not mistaken. It's just the raw providers or fansubbers who remove them. And I don't think people in Japan refuse to watch it just because of the commercial breaks. You know www.southparkstudios.com? Yes, it's not anime, but you can watch South Park for free, immediately after it has aired on TV - worldwide. There are commercials (can't be skipped), no DRM. Quality is quite good I think (640x480). Could be better, but it's better than these illegal TV-rips you can find. Only things are, you cannot download these episodes and fullscreen doesn't work. The last thing could just be a problem with my browser, don't know. I think, watching new anime should become more like watching free TV, just online - and not like pay TV. |
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wangyamaki Posts: 55 |
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| Now cruncyroll does yet again good things for anime viewing-because cartoon network has failed to put naruto back at its regular time and play those lame marvel movies like almost every week.
Thats more amazing then viewing naruto off of narutowire.com im glad.  |
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loka Posts: 183 Location: Pittsburgh, PA |
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just don't expect people who download fansubs to start watching streams. wont happen. they don't really have an excuse for not providing an HD download with a subscription. i would gladly give up my money.
640x480 is abysmal. and i'm not sure where you're looking, but i find all american tv rips at 720p. sure, some shows arent broadcast in HD, but those shows are generally too shitty to even bother with. |
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Top Gun Posts: 1194 |
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| To those people kvetching about quality issues...seriously, who gives a damn? It's a free stream; you're getting exactly what you're paying for. Are you seriously watching these shows so you can examine every single pixel on a character's forehead, or are you watching them to watch them? Last time I checked, YouTube quality was sufficient to view the physical content of a scene, and 640x480 is certainly far more than enough. I have watched both SD and HD fansubs, and I quite honestly view the latter as an unnecessary waste of hard drive space. | ||||
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beelzebozo Posts: 304 Location: Aurora, Colorado |
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Quoted for truth. To all of you "I need to see the fansubs so I can see if I like the show or not", well, here you go. A free stream to check out your shows. If you like it enough, then do like you say you're going to and BUY THE SHOW!! Otherwise, you're just trying to get something High-Quality for nothing and you'd better just 'fess up to it. |
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| Vulcannis Posts: 21 |
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Then quite honestly you're welcome to enjoy these streams. I fully expect them to be satisfactory for the majority of fans and that's good for Viz. I on the other hand paid good money for a nice big HDTV and would like to spend money on some nice high quality downloads to store on my nice overpowered media server. Naruto is actually a perfect example. It's not good enough that I'm willing to collect it on DVD but I'd have paid money every week for all these years if I could buy a video download with at least as good quality as the fansubs, on a similar timeline. I can't speak for others, but I'm very happy that Viz and co are doing this despite any of my "kvetching" over quality.
I'm trying to get high quality for a reasonable price. Unfortunately I can't get high quality for any price at this point in time. How is any of this unreasonable? Now if you're just posting this to bang on the trolls and whiners and feel superior... well, enjoy, I guess.  |
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| narutoismybrother Posts: 198 Location: Connecticut |
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I could care less if it's a free stream. Youtube quality is not sufficient. For webshows maybe, for anime... no. HD is far superior to SD. It is in extremely higher quality and I like it. I'm glad that the anime will be coming out with subs after an hour, but I will not pay for a stream. If I must, I will wait a week and watch it streamed for free, but I will never pay for a stream. I would be happy to pay $10 a month for downloads or even 3 bucks per episode, but if I can't download it I'm not dishing out any money. I like having the episodes physically in my hard drive. Nice that it's going streamed with subs an hour after it's released in Japan, but I will not give any money out if I can't have it on my hard drive. |
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| sdhd Posts: 84 |
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| Yes! Can't wait to for Gintama. Toei subtitles are not bad at all. The quality for a paid download is good as far as I am concern. | ||||
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pparker Subscriber Posts: 1054 Location: Florida |
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There is nothing wrong with wanting a certain level of quality. It's a personal choice. The point is not a pixel. Try watching one of these streams on a full-size TV vs. an average fansub. If you are fine with watching anime in a small window in your computer screen or with jagged lines and bad coloration on your TV, then fine. I am not fine with that. If I have two free alternatives, one high quality and the other low, I will take the high quality one. I've spent $500 per month on anime rentals and purchases in the past 2 years, so I have no guilt about watching fansubs. In fact, after an expensive major R1 disappointment (yes you, Eureka), I made a decision never to buy a series unseen again, just as I would never buy a U.S. TV show unseen. Being a collector, I do have certain quality standards. When the industry offers downloadable alternatives at my level of quality for a reasonable price, I will no longer watch fansubs. Pretty simple equation really. |
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tygerchickchibi Posts: 795 |
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| *rolls eyes.*
I'm not going to get too much into this, too much BS in here already. I just took a link at the CR forum and I think it's kind of funny, a lot of people never heard of ANN, so they think that the report about rejecting user uploaded videos is false, you know...since it's not on the CR site and all. |
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| Zac ANN Executive Editor  Posts: 4298 Location: Death Star Cocktail Lounge |
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But Naruto is apparently your brother so shouldn't he be hooking you up with these episodes for free? Did you guys have a falling out or something? |
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Josh7289 Posts: 1148 Location: NJ |
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| Hm, does this Crunchyroll deal have anything to do with Viz Media? Will the subtitles themselves be the same or different from Viz's subs?
Well, anyway, Crunchyroll's quality is horrible, so I'm just going to stick with Joost or Hulu (or maybe Naruto.com, but I don't see any episodes there right now, so I'm not sure of the quality). |
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Richard J.Subscriber Posts: 2931 Location: Sic Semper Tyrannis. |
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Anyway, I really don't get some of the naysayers here. On the one hand, there's the claim that fansubs are for testing the anime to see if you like it enough to want it in your collection. Then the argument flips to wanting to buy cheap high-quality downloads, yet there's still this "I won't watch the stream unless it's high-quality too" and free. And it all has to come out immediately after the anime airs in Japan, be available to all countries, preferably subbed in multiple languages. Do any of you have a clue how much work it's going to take just to make this current attempt work? |
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