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fighterholic
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If Aso was talking about his sex life that's one thing, but his hobby? Give me a break  All that Miyazaki has accomplished and he goes out with this? He talked about war, but he obviously overlooked what happened to Japan AFTER the war. Hypocritical and appealing to the old ways, that's what that was. |
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pparker
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| Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 11:53 pm |
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The political comments are just elitist bs. That sort of behavior from artists always leaves me with a bad taste for their work, because now that's what I'll think of when his work comes up. I haven't read the other stuff he apparently said before, but if he has stated publicly that other people's work in anime is crap, then that definitely qualifies him for a big <ignore> tag. I can just imagine Ridley Scott doing the same thing... not.
Of course, in the U.S. we've been having to practice the active ignore method on Hollywood for decades. Notably, this year it intentionally shut up and guess what, its man got elected. Artists opinions on politicians routinely generate the opposite of the intended effect (e.g., Michael Moore definitely contributed to Bush's election in 2000) and are always worth the digital Yahoo pixels they are printed on. I also suspect Miyazaki didn't make any new fans based on being critical of Aso promoting manga, which would seem somewhat counter to the purposes of a studio head responsible for maintaining employment for a significant number of artists. |
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penguintruth
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| Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 12:02 am |
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I have to hang my head at all the phony outrage in this thread. Really, you'd think that Miyazaki said that all anime is a plague on humanity and he's quitting the business because he hates everyone and everything. The man just criticized a politician for pandering to the manga/anime crowd to garner support and emphasized the importance of learning practical skills instead of just sitting on your ass all day.
Y'know, the thing nearly everybody, including Miyazaki, has been saying for decades.
My head hurts just reading some of these responses. Some of you need to save your outrage for more important things. Nobody's attacking your precious little hobby. Maybe you need some fresh air.
Honestly, Talkback threads lately have become a haven for the most frightening idiocy. |
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enurtsol
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| Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 1:03 am |
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As I mentioned before, like many avant-garde directors/artists/authors/creators, Hayao Miyazaki has a healthy ego.  |
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GATSU
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pparker: Considering that Miyazaki's a guy who personally experienced the hells of war, he has every right to go after the Japanese neo-cons so they don't give that country its own version of the Iraq/Afghanistan mess. He also doesn't need to make any fans, as he's the most successful animator in the business.
And there were tons of celebrity endorsements for Obama, most notably from Ron "Opie" Howard. As for Bush, he wasn't "elected" in 2000, and Moore contributed to that sucker not having a mandate in 2004, because the 18-25 demo went for Kerry. |
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ximpalullaorg
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| Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 3:29 am |
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Only if you have an incomplete (or downright incorrect) understanding of what Luddism actually is, and/or take a revisionist look at Miyazaki's body of work. |
I have actually done my research. And my statements stands firm. You may call stretching a bit, but I think it fits most of the stuff he has done. I think his films are poor, offer a somewhat questionable take on certain issues though you can say they're entertaining for most of the audience. His elitist stance isn't really something new as well. I clearly remember a 1991 interview in which he was opposing any version of his works outside Japan, getting very unwelcome towards the interviewer as well. |
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Labbes
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Well, I think he's right when he says that a politician shouldn't showcase his hobbies. I do not know, nor do I care, what the German chancellor does after work, or what the Pope does in his free time. It simply does not show a lot of professionalism.
And you think that saying Nationalism can be a bad thing is incorrect? Just look at Europe from 1870 on. Not only did it Nationalism ignite a German war against France, it's also the reason for both world wars AND a communistic Russia. Don't underestimate Nationalism, guys. |
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ikillchicken
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| penguintruth wrote: | | My head hurts just reading some of these responses. Some of you need to save your outrage for more important things. |
Which responses? They seem pretty reasonable to me. A lot of people are even agreeing with him. The only post I see that could come close to being called "outrage" is the one by pparker and he/she only seems to be making a general point about famous people making political comments. |
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zanarkand princess
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| Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 4:32 am |
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It does seem like Miyazki is a little bitter but Aso does seem to be overstating the whole "manga fan" thing. I'm sure that he doesn't want to be seen as a full blown otaku or anything but then lots of non otaku in japan read manga. They just don't go out buying every figure made of the characters and everything. Also Aso says he's a fan of rozen maiden and things like that while Miyazaki is infamous for disliking that sort of manga. Plus Aso seems to be going after the younger voters with all this talk of how much he loves manga.
Miyazaki might be sort of right about the nationalist thing. After all those wars I'm inclined to agree with him. Miyazaki seems to think though that the world only knows of japan through it's media and pop culture. I think it's the opposite. Sure everyone knows sushi is from japan and they sometimes even acknowledge that those silly "chinese cartoons"that most people don't watch anyway are from japan but besides that people are only aware that japan is a huge media force and have never experienced it. |
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penguintruth
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| Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 4:48 am |
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| ikillchicken wrote: | | penguintruth wrote: | | My head hurts just reading some of these responses. Some of you need to save your outrage for more important things. |
Which responses? They seem pretty reasonable to me. A lot of people are even agreeing with him. The only post I see that could come close to being called "outrage" is the one by pparker and he/she only seems to be making a general point about famous people making political comments. |
There are plenty of posts saying what is tantamount to, "He's just a bitter old man who thinks he knows everything, how dare he attack a manga/anime fan."
These are absurd, baseless accusations that completely ignore the point of Miyazaki's words and twist it into a personal attack on them so they can get all riled up for no reason. It's become a second hobby to the anime fandom: raging. |
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melonbread
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| Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 5:26 am |
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| What a very strange comment for Miyazaki to make. Saying that the Prime Minister liking/promoting manga will make Japan into a country like they were in the wartime. I don't think an entire country is going to go back to that kind of mindset over manga. I'm kind of disappointed in Miyazaki. |
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GATSU
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| melond: It's not specifically the manga which Miyazaki attributes to nationalism, but Aso's comments which tend to white-wash Japan's responsibility for the war. |
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ikillchicken
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| penguintruth wrote: | | ikillchicken wrote: | | penguintruth wrote: | | My head hurts just reading some of these responses. Some of you need to save your outrage for more important things. |
Which responses? They seem pretty reasonable to me. A lot of people are even agreeing with him. The only post I see that could come close to being called "outrage" is the one by pparker and he/she only seems to be making a general point about famous people making political comments. |
There are plenty of posts saying what is tantamount to, "He's just a bitter old man who thinks he knows everything, how dare he attack a manga/anime fan."
These are absurd, baseless accusations that completely ignore the point of Miyazaki's words and twist it into a personal attack on them so they can get all riled up for no reason. It's become a second hobby to the anime fandom: raging. |
Sorry but I think you're seeing something that's not really there. I don't think anyone has said anything to the effect of being upset. Just because they don't agree with him or even think he's a fool doesn't mean they're all upset. At worst, people seem perplexed and more commonly, just confused. Yeah sure, there are plenty of times fans get themselves all riled up, but here people more seem to just think it's silly. You can hardly call it raging. It just seems like you've picked an odd place to get on folks for "raging". |
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penguintruth
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| Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 7:29 am |
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| ikillchicken wrote: | | penguintruth wrote: | | ikillchicken wrote: | | penguintruth wrote: | | My head hurts just reading some of these responses. Some of you need to save your outrage for more important things. |
Which responses? They seem pretty reasonable to me. A lot of people are even agreeing with him. The only post I see that could come close to being called "outrage" is the one by pparker and he/she only seems to be making a general point about famous people making political comments. |
There are plenty of posts saying what is tantamount to, "He's just a bitter old man who thinks he knows everything, how dare he attack a manga/anime fan."
These are absurd, baseless accusations that completely ignore the point of Miyazaki's words and twist it into a personal attack on them so they can get all riled up for no reason. It's become a second hobby to the anime fandom: raging. |
Sorry but I think you're seeing something that's not really there. I don't think anyone has said anything to the effect of being upset. Just because they don't agree with him or even think he's a fool doesn't mean they're all upset. At worst, people seem perplexed and more commonly, just confused. Yeah sure, there are plenty of times fans get themselves all riled up, but here people more seem to just think it's silly. You can hardly call it raging. It just seems like you've picked an odd place to get on folks for "raging". |
Making assumptions about Miyazaki based on a pretty reasonable statement and not supporting those assumptions with anything of substance is what we call "trolling", and it is the result of either willful ignorance or the intent to stir things up needlessly. A good portion of this thread reeks of phony outrage. Go ahead and read it all. |
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fighterholic
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| Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 11:54 am |
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| penguintruth wrote: | | The man just criticized a politician for pandering to the manga/anime crowd to garner support and emphasized the importance of learning practical skills instead of just sitting on your ass all day. |
What's wrong with trying to reach out to a crowd? Seriously, some people need to move on in life about things, this man is proving not to be. |
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