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NEWS: Dattebayo to Stop Fansubbing Naruto on January 15

Well, you make a good point. I realize in the end nothing will come of it.

It just ticks me off so much that when I buy an official product, I almost always find myself comparing it with a fansub I have kicking around, thinking "Why is this not as perceivably good? Why is it missing features this mere fansub has? Extra trailers, bah, I want to enjoy the experience of *watching the freaking show*. Damn you yellow subtitles! I'm going back to the fansub! Money down the drain FTW!"

All I want is black and white subtitles, not yellow, maybe some translated on-screen text (just maybe, not required), and karaoke would be a cool thing to tell fans that the companies actually care about what we *might* find enjoyable, and for those that don't, no problem, simply turn them off!

And the damnedest thing is, it doesn't take a whole heck of a lot of extra cash or effort to make it happen. In the end, fansubbers have something these companies don't have: care for the show itself from a non-profit perspective. The equivalent care from the companies would be "care for maintaining a strong customer-base" (or strongER I should say).

But in the end, they're screwing themselves. It just makes one lol.

Seriously, if just one company released a product of a popular series with some of these features... I'm willing to bet they would instantly be doing better than even some of the biggest companies in terms of sales and returning customers. It would be a big nod to us fans out here, almost like saying "We know what you guys want, and we're gonna give it to ya!"

The day Funimation and other companies become *more like* fansubbers (except for profit) is the day the anime industry takes a turn for the best. Forget all this streaming shit, people will buy, but you have to live up to expectations.

1. I HATE the ugly yellow subs that are used when watching with the Japanese audio track. It makes my eyes bleed.
Your preference, but you are in the minority. Given the 3 color option yellow is considered easier to read by the majority, Source DVD FLLC

2. I don't care for the English audio track personally, but I can switch it to Japanese, so this point is not nearly as big a deal.
More anime fans prefer dubs over subs, so dubs are not going any where

3. Signs are usually not translated, nor is other on-screen text that even though it's not important, I would like to know what it says anyway.
The majority of people do not care about what some meaningless background text says, but will get mad with tons of screen clutter.

4. I would like the option of nice karaoke. Some people don't like it, but some do, and it wouldn't hurt to be able to turn it off and on like any other subtitle track or feature. It doesn't take a lot of effort for a company to include it.
It would have to be as an extra, karaoke does not meet DVD FLLC standards to be part of the opening.

5. Finally, and this is a minor point, but the price is ridiculously high (most of the time, not always) for the lack of most of the above-mentioned features in the official releases, even though I do recognize why the costs are as high as they are due to licensing, the product being in a niche market, etc.
So you rebuked your own argument, the prices are at an all time low and they won't go down much more unless anime grows in this country.

To your comment that Fansub groups "care more" is a load of crap. If the fansub groups had the same restrictions do to laws and licensing agreements the product would look the same. If they had to worry about turning a profit or about making the majority happy their product would look the same and cost the same(if not more) then the R1 companies. Your reasons are nothing more then a rationalization of why you are NOT spending money on the R1 industry products. Even by your own justification the only thing you seem to care about is the color of the subtitles, and that is a weak argument. You are basically saying that I will not buy the product unless it is tailored to me and a small minority of people. Fansubers can do that, they don't care about the majority of the people.

You know, it makes me wonder just how many of you actually take what Dattebayo say seriously and all. I mean, they're known for trolling on almost on all accounts when they mention their "Dropping Naruto".

Honestly, I'm going to be laughing my butt off if this is just yet another troll update from them but if this is true......well, it's not really a actual loss to anyone who's getting the fansubs. Like someone said in another post, they could just get together under another name and continue doing the show or some new group will just pick up where they left off.

It will happen, that's a gimme.

Sadly, while I loved Viz in the 90s, since I started (and later stopped) reading Shonen Jump, their incidence of censorship and rewrites has spiked, and since they didn't warn that this was happening, I can no longer trust them not to alter the show. TBH I've had much more luck getting unedited versions from TokyoPop even in their days of infamy.

So if no one else takes over for DB, I'll be switching to raws or scanlations. The cessation has given me some pause for thought though, and I have been largely freeloading so far - I think I'll import a bunch of the R2 DVDs now to show my (very late) support for the series. Getting the whole series would bankrupt me, but I can start ordering boxes from time to time. Better yet, I should stock up on tankoubon and show support for Kishimoto as directly as I can. I'd encourage others to do the same if they can read enough text to enjoy them! Smile

i think if you like the subs you should watch the legl subs. I really want this to work so viz and other companies can do more of this

And nothing of value was lost...

Someone PM'd me and told me to "try again", but I have some free time, so w/e.

About the yellow subs: Fine, forget about it then. You're right, all over DVD's have it, so let's just admit I'm "wrong", and move on.

About signs, karaoke, and other such things:

You seem to be completely oblivious to my point, or are just being downright ignorant to what I said. I said THEY COULD BE TURNED OFF, and I even stated that I recognized a lot of people don't like these things. But if they only take a small amount of extra work/time for a company to add them with the ability to toggle them on and off for those who might enjoy them, then there should be no problem coming from you about not wanting to see them right? You could just turn them off, or they could even be off by default, and people like me who are willing to go through the extra work in the menu to turn them on can do so. That basically makes any argument such as "we don't like these things" irrelevant, because you wouldn't be forced to see them if you didn't want to.

Try to read more carefully next time instead of trying to determine what it was I was *going* to say based on your interpretation of where I was going with my post, rather than making assumptions because you were too lazy to read the whole thing.

About dubs:

I realize that a lot of fans do like dubs, and for GOD'S SAKE, NO WHERE did I say dubs were bad. I just said I didn't prefer them, but that it WAS NOT a problem for me, because I could switch language tracks. So I don't see why anyone bothered responding to this point at all. We're on the same page here.

About price:

I also realize that prices are "low" compared to what companies could be charging for in a niche market such as this, HOWEVER, barring the fact that anime isn't as popular over here as it is in Japan and all of the other factors that go into it, from a consumer's standpoint, it seems ridiculous to pay upwards of $40 or more (approx.) for three lousy episodes on a single DVD. To me, for $40, I can get a lot more for that money buying something else. I know why I have to pay that much, so don't bother telling me, but as a consumer, it seems to be an obviously stupid use for that money, especially since I'm rather technically-inclined being in IT, and I know what it takes to manufacture and distribute DVD's because I read about these sorts of things in my spare time.

I'd be willing to pay a higher price if companies would put more anime out on Blu-ray or something, even without extras. My viewing experience is what matters to me, and that's what I'm paying for essentially. I'm not going to get much from $40 and three episodes on an outdated format. And don't respond with why more companies can't do blu-ray yet, I'm talking about my viewing experience and what it would take to make it the best it could be as a consumer who is looking for just that to put their money into. As it stands, I can't get an acceptable viewing experience with my money with what's available officially. It's that simple.

And no, none of this is justification for piracy or a defense against fansubbing, it's simply the outcome that resulted due to my finding official products not being able to provide what I'm looking for. I'm willing to sink low and watch fansubs vs. buying DVD's if in the end my viewing experience turns out better.

I know there is a bunch of people here who would attack anyone that so much as opens their mouth about these sorts of issues, but for God's sake, if you're going to reply to me, read my entire post and only reply on what's actually worth replying about. Last time, people replied to what we basically already agreed on to some extent. Don't make yourselves just look like fools.

One more thing:

@ jsieczka

They don't have to tailor products to me and a minority of people. You do know you can turn tracks on and off on a DVD to provide a flexible, almost customizable experience to those who want it right? Without infringing on the viewing experience of others? I don't see what you were getting at at all.

Last edited by Brass2TheMax on Mon Nov 24, 2008 5:14 pm; edited 1 time in total

Well then please share with me where you get your anime, because that indeed does sound fair. I'd be willing to pay that. It's probably more like $34-35 where I am for that, but then with two taxes where I live and all that it comes to around $40.

I live in Vancouver, Canada, so maybe we're all just getting screwed up here.

*crosses fingers companies will eventually move to blu-ray and release whole seasons on single discs*

I guess it's a lot cheaper to buy online, but for those of us who don't, we're probably not going to get as good a deal.

Here's what I'm talking about:
http://www.amazon.ca/Black-Lagoon-Vol-Season-2/dp/B001DN0UWG/ref=sr_1_20?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1227565040&sr=8-20

Okay, it's 4 episodes, not 3. The list price is $31.99, if I were to pick that off the shelf where I live, pay tax and all that, it would come to roughly $37-ish, which is $3 shy of $40.

Obviously when I said $40 for three episodes is was ball-park, I don't have prices in front of me all the time, but this is an example of 4 episodes for $37-ish.

Solely out of curoisity, why don't you buy online? I've imported all but two or three of the anime dvds in my collection over the internet, and it was both cheaper and easier than trying to find them in stores. Then again, there are perhaps 5 series released in my country, so for me, it's born out of neccessity. Wink

Also, found the thing about karaoke: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/answerman/2007-01-19 (question 4) It's not exactly what I thought I remembered, but it still explains the ugly, yellow subtitles pretty well, I think.

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