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Zac
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 6:27 pm Reply with quote
Just for the record, this is the entirety of what was ever said in the column about Nymphet:

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You know, I remembered hearing about this title back when our lolicon wars were raging, but I never really looked it up; your synopsis there doesn't mention how old the Rin character is, so I had to look it up.

She's in 3rd grade. And apparently this manga is pretty popular with the loli crowd so I have to assume it's unsubtle about what the point of the whole thing is.

Barf.

While I can't possibly endorse this release - the whole concept makes my flesh crawl - so far, not even the hardcore gay porn you find in manga aisles has managed to cause any kind of a stir. This is - I think, anyway - the first lolicon title that's explicit enough to be released here with shrinkwrap, so the potential for danger is probably higher than it is with Yaoi manga, but for right now I'm not sure I'd be panicked about this release.

Is it gross and wrong? Yes. Do I wish Seven Seas would just leave this particular Pandora's Box alone and maybe consider not releasing comic book kiddie porn? Of course. But they will anyway. Maybe we'll get lucky and nobody will buy it and they'll stop barking up the pedo tree, but for now, we just have to hold on and hope that this is silently put into only a few markets, disappears, and is then never heard about again.


That was in one column early last summer. To this day I really cannot believe the gigantic swirling shitstorm that seemed to cause. I believe the forum thread for it was like 50 pages long and it spilled over into other threads.
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cool3865



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 7:11 pm Reply with quote
lol i remember reading that, it gave me alot of entertainment at work reading the threads.
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Angel_White_Wings



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 7:13 pm Reply with quote
I usually don't drop a line around the forums; I normally just lurk and read columns - especially Answerman. Now, I feel this is an important column as you are leaving us, sadly, so I just wanted to say this.

I've been around for a while reading these columns (three or four years?), and I love 'em. They were always a great source for entertainment, laughs, and Q&A. Really - great job.

You will be missed. Smile
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fighterholic



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 9:54 pm Reply with quote
Umm, let's see. To really know what is going on with Nymphet and understand the logic behind it, then you have to read with an OPEN MIND. Seems to me some people didn't do that, and hence why we have people screaming LOLIOMG these days over it. Granted, it's not something you would want to put out on the shelves, but the story in a sense does improve over the course of the series, and I am not kidding. To me, after the whole Nymphet incident, and having read the series, I cannot recommend this to anybody who is easily offended by its material, but I have to say that some of the key themes presented in this series has to do with culture. And NO, I am not talking about the lolicon part.

And seeing what else has been happening, some of the conversation here is making me feel worried about what kind of "constructive criticism" that Brian might be getting by certain people here in the forums. Especially the ones who like to troll. And then there are some other posters that just post...
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frodonk



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 10:22 pm Reply with quote
just wanted to say how fun it was reading your answers to the questions, especially when they are written from your perspective. after all, that's what made me come back to ANN every week for the past year Very Happy

good luck on everything, and to the new column too Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 12:40 am Reply with quote
The whole "Brain"/"Brian" thing reminds me of that episode of Pinky and the Brain wherin Brain competes on a game show and the host refers to him as "Brian".

Narf.
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Greed1914



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 1:01 am Reply with quote
penguintruth wrote:
The whole "Brain"/"Brian" thing reminds me of that episode of Pinky and the Brain wherin Brain competes on a game show and the host refers to him as "Brian".

Narf.


Or Family Guy when Peter and Brian are in a dog show and the announcer refers to Brian as Brain.


Also, I'm happy that the suggestion that Brian pick up on Answerman had such a positive result. Sure it'll be a little strange at first, but new perspectives will be interesting.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 2:19 am Reply with quote
Greed1914 wrote:
penguintruth wrote:
The whole "Brain"/"Brian" thing reminds me of that episode of Pinky and the Brain wherin Brain competes on a game show and the host refers to him as "Brian".

Narf.


Or Family Guy when Peter and Brian are in a dog show and the announcer refers to Brian as Brain.


Also, I'm happy that the suggestion that Brian pick up on Answerman had such a positive result. Sure it'll be a little strange at first, but new perspectives will be interesting.

Brian/Brain isn't uncommon, particularly in partial or fully inebriated circumstances. One of my Brian friends has been called Brain amongst a group of us ever since one particularly entertaining Vegas weekend in 1997.

May as well toss in my good wishes for Zac's future endeavors. Yes, I disagreed with him on occasion and more than once let him know it, but I respect his opinions and his ability to deliver them cleverly.

Never read Brian's column as I do not watch TV, so I'm hoping the column continues to be entertaining and thought-provoking. I agree with the statement that Answerman and Shelf Life are the reasons I come to ANN regularly besides occasionally checking on the news.
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Axe-336



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 2:29 am Reply with quote
I finally actually had a good worthwhile question.....
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orionism1



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 11:06 am Reply with quote
Just wanted to add to the many others in saying so long. Loved your column and Good luck with your new column. And no one can be as annoying as this guy was.
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petran79



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 3:48 pm Reply with quote
ikillchicken wrote:
Yes, which is why I explicitly said that today's fans do sometimes have problems but that the things you mentioned were hardly unreasonable. You'll notice this stuff which you're bringing up now (which I'll agree clearly is unreasonable) differs greatly from your original complaints. Sure, there are definitely people out there who want the industry to collapse. They're idiots. There have always been idiots though. Even back in the "good old days". So please, despite your anger, take off the rose colored glasses, have a scotch, and chill out. It seems to work for Zac.


fandom was always there, it just found different means of expression. Eg before TV there were magazines. Eg how many kids spent a fortune in toys, videogames, games, VHS tapes, magazines, comics and yes even books.

How many adults have countless vinyl disk collections and (copied) audio cassettes and VHS tapes. Now with the digital age all this is squeezed in a single disk. Totally depriving of any emotion but quite practical and handy. This did not lead the music or film industry to collapse.

So recently anime and other animated shows were added to the market instead of being limited to the TV broadcasters shelf or the low VHS quality in the video rental stores.

But even when there wasnt the Internet, millions of kids (the adults of today) became fans of the series from Japan through TV. This mass culture phenomenon with anime was much bigger in scale than it is today.

I remember in an interview a guy who was over 50 said that his father was a sailor and while all the other kids in his age played with slings and other typical games of that era, he played with some exotic games like mecha robots his father had brought from Japan. So there was a sort of fandom back then too.

It is just that with digital age, there is virtually no limit to how many copies or how many viewers a series can attract, thus making the demand also virtually limitless. But no matter past, present or future, something needs effort to be produced. Not a coincidence that anime is facing its own sort of economic crisis and feels like a bubble ready to burst.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 5:20 pm Reply with quote
@petran79: Do you think you can cut down on all that unnecessary quoting? You've quoted five people when all you needed was one. It hurts my eyes to look at. Thanks.
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Greed1914



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 8:21 pm Reply with quote
daxomni wrote:
To his credit, Zac took the high road and moved our discussion to PM's. I stopped reading his Answerman column regularly because I felt it was too focused on bashing those who were too young and foolish enough to know better.


I'd say that letting the "young and foolish" learn the hard way is a good way for them to stop being so foolish.
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Soldat of life



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 9:22 pm Reply with quote
Letting everything go when things are finally done is always funny to check out. I wonder what face you will take for your next project. Answerman had Howl of late. Darth Vader in the forums since I don't know when. You should celebrate with an overhaul in some manner.
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tissuebubble



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 9:25 pm Reply with quote
I know more conservatives/libertarians than liberals watching anime at the moment. Anime really reaches everyone. Except maybe some liberals against the sexism/racism and the moral conservatives.

ParagonDoD wrote:
For the shift toward libertarianism, I'd blame/credit fandom moving onto the internet; it's a lot easier to be exposed to minority viewpoints via the internet, so the people who would be sympathetic to libertarians' arguments are more likely to be exposed to them.

Conservative, though, I don't know. I suppose you could say that anime still portrays a "conservative" mindset in some ways, e.g. the whole Yamato Nadeshiko archetype.


Yeah, I can see the Libertarian bend but I was surprised when some of my conservative friends started talking about how much they like anime. But the younger conservatives are a lot different than the old school moral/traditional ones that most people think of.
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