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INTEREST: Report Linking Russian Suicides with Anime Criticized


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Mercy Falls



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:53 pm Reply with quote
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Olga Mahovskaya, a youth psychology specialist, commented in the article that "anime by itself cannot be the cause of teenage suicides." However, she asserted that because anime blurs the line between the real world and "virtual culture" and "romanticizes death," anime viewing could contribute to teenagers' decisions to end their lives.


I don't see how anime "blurs the lines between the real world and virtual culture" unless you have no concept of reality, in which case even movies, video games and television could be described as doing that. As for "romanticizing death", for every anime that does that, there are probably a dozen movies. Ever seen Tarantino's Pulp Fiction (or any of his films for that matter)? Not to mention music that describes violent fantasies (heard of Eminem?). At the end of the day it's all just creative expression, nothing more than fiction. And the main difference between anime and other outlets, is anime will usually have a deeper meaning behind it.

Those kids that committed suicide, may they rest in peace, probably had some undiagnosed mental illness. And another thing, this may be a bit of a stereotype and isn't always true, but anime culture draws in a lot of people who are already socially awkward or more of an introvert to begin with. People like that could easily struggle with depression from all sorts of reasons, bullying for example. I'm not trying to stereotype people who watch anime and say they're all geeks who are depressed or whatever. But what I'm saying is, anime does attract those types of people.

Well, who knows why those poor kids did what they did. It's never just one reason, I'm sure it was a whole lot of things added up. And trying to blame one source like anime is just ridiculous. If anything watching anime was probably a vice for them, something to take their mind off their problems.
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Sam Murai



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:15 pm Reply with quote
That "report" read more like an ill-backed forum post by someone on a whim than something with more concrete information (and actual examples) to give it credence. Even the title itself is misleading, as the author only mentions anime in a "well, maybe…" sort of way in the body of their post and doesn't even touch it again for the rest of it. Their argument is so flimsy and flaky, it barely has any merit, much less worth reading.

And besides the structural flaws of it, why anime? What about the deaths in movies or comics? And top of this, this person is connecting it so haphazardly to something as serious as suicide (and doing a weak job at it, too)?
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mdo7



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:38 pm Reply with quote
I first read about this on Kotaku, many hours before ANN put this up. Yeah what she said doesn't make a lot of sense. I'm glad to see people are returning fire on the psychologist's BS. Great, I hope I won't see anything like this in US, like blaming Higurashi for a serial killer's rampage, or blaming Love Hina or Tenchi Muyo for a person who commit polygamy.
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Melanchthon



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:44 pm Reply with quote
I can totally understand this, I mean I wanted to kill myself after sitting through Pita Ten.

I read an article on Rolling Stone about a rash of suicides among gay teens in Minnesota. Now, I'm not comparing otaku will homosexuals, but I bring up the article because the health experts mentioned being concerned that kids would start seeing suicide as an normal response to life's struggles, and emulating it. It could be that this is the case here. Also, I would be suspicious of anything that comes out of the Russian media, given that Vladmir 'Adonis' Putin has full control over the fourth estate. Have you ever read Pravada? The derp there is outstanding. I wouldn't put this past a convenient smear on a traditional enemy (remember, the Russians and the Japanese still have a territorial conflict over the Kurils)
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NotintheMood



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:42 pm Reply with quote
The most ridiculous part of the source article was the last paragraph where it suggest a solution:

Enroll them in Cheer leading!


Because that's what all teenagers driven to suicide by too much anime needs . . .Cheerleading!

Because mental health problems can be conquered if you just try hard enough and by try hard, I mean . . . . try hard at Cheerleading!

Because real friendship isn't about jumping off buildings it's about jumping off human towers! and of course the wonders of . . . what?
C H E E R L E A D I N G!


But at least they oversimplified the problem and the solution, that has to count for something right? . . . okay fine. it counts for nothing. What a silly article.
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Alunimus



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:37 pm Reply with quote
Just ignore these russian "specialists". I already saw few cases of suicide in Russia and every single time these idiotic "scientists" tried to find the cause in american cartoons, in anime, in movies, in videogames et cetera, et cetera. The main thing is - they're trying to blame other countries, but not themselves. It's common to hear something like "ANIME IS THE PSYCHO-WEAPON THAT DISTORTS MINDS OF OUR CHILDREN! JAPANESE AND AMERICANS WANT TO WIPE OUT PROUD RUSSIANS! DERP!". Sounds funny, eh (and even this part about "pride russians" is sometimes true - some patriots are just insane)? But, nevertheless, some idiots there just don't want to search problems within and just shouting something like this. It's the problem of parents' ignorance and harsh environment. I, myself, had a childhood in one of post-soviet republics (and there really wasn't any differance between, I'd say, Kazakhstan and Russia), but my parents really cared about me. And so, here I am. I watched anime when I was a teenager, played violent videogames and so on, but still there wasn't a time when I thought about suicide or something like that! I just think that it's necessary for parents to make some restrictions for their children. Limit internet access is the main priority, I think.
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The Goron Marshall



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:19 am Reply with quote
"I've never seen anime like that!" *Insert facepalm image here.* These people were living under a rock, right?

Did anyone else think of Suicide Club, or whatever the devil it's called, when they were reading this? Okay sure it's live-action, not anime, and barely heard around the world, but still.
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DTJB



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 3:43 am Reply with quote
The fuuuuu...? Confused Can we get the testimony of a credible doctor? Like one who has a solid educational background?
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Tamaria



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 8:06 am Reply with quote
The Goron Marshall wrote:
"I've never seen anime like that!" *Insert facepalm image here.* These people were living under a rock, right?

Did anyone else think of Suicide Club, or whatever the devil it's called, when they were reading this? Okay sure it's live-action, not anime, and barely heard around the world, but still.


It's a manga too, but it the story makes suicide seem as charming as joining a cult.

I can think of a few manga/anime/novels in which lovers decide to commit suicide, but that never ends well.
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Starsplash Taiwan



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:41 am Reply with quote
There is no correlation between anime and suicides. This is the same argument against video games. It really is kinda pathetic to be honest.

If people in Russia are committing suicide because of anime, I am sure its not because of anime, but because of something deeper. Sure, anime has lots of violence, sex etc.... but to blame just anime is just way to simple. Any article like this that blames anime or even video games is an article that has not been researched and just wants to accuse because its easy. I will never trust any person that thinks this way.

ANY PERSON WITH THE SLIGHTEST COMMON SENSE CAN DISTINGUISH BETWEEN REALITY AND VIRTURAL REALITY. AND YOU CAN BE SURE THAT ANYONE THAT LOVES ANIME HAS THE COMMON SENSE AND IS SMART ENOUGH TO NOT COMMIT SUICIDE OR DO ANYTHING STUPID. Otakus are not dumb people just because they like cartoons. You just need to be a normal human being and thats not hard. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this out.
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Catseyetiger



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:34 pm Reply with quote
well it has been proven that thinking and reading and the act of living are all bad for you. You have to pick your poison well. also being poor can affect your health a life choices.

whats next?
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enurtsol



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 1:52 am Reply with quote
Haha, this is like saying youthz become violent because of rap and hip-hop! Laughing


Murder, She wrote:

Japan's relatively high rate of youth suicides spurred the Japanese government to begin publishing an annual "Suicide Counter-Measure White Paper" in 2007.


Then, there's also GKB47: Laughing

In Japanese, the slogan reads “Anata mo GKB47 sengen!” (“Declare yourself part of GKB47!”). The acronym GK is short for “gatekeeper,” which in Japan is used to refer to a person who recognizes symptoms of depression in someone else and recommends that they seek treatment, while the B stands for “basic,” which is reportedly an attempt to imply that suicide prevention is everybody’s duty and requires no specialist training.

The 47 refers to the country’s 47 prefectures.

The catchphrase, which was unveiled last month, has already been criticized by mental health professionals, as well as members of both the DPJ and opposition parties for the way in which it apparently handles the issue of suicide, while simultaneously leveraging the popularity of AKB48.



The Voice of Russia wrote:


Thank goodness for cheerleading! We all support the trend for more cheerleaders! We can never have enough of 'em! Save the cheerleader, save the world! Laughing
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Mirri



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 9:19 pm Reply with quote
Agent355 wrote:
My condolences to these children, their families and friends.

Many people around the world still don't seem to understand that depression and mental illness are real, deadly diseases, rather than "being lazy" or "lack of motivation" or just plain "crazy." The amount of willful ignorance about suicide, even among so-called mental health professionals and doctors is disturbing. Although their have been studies showing that exposing young children to extremely violent or sexual situations via television, movies, even the news can cause PTSD symptoms that reflect children who face real violence and abuse in their lives, mental illnesses are generally not caused by watching too much TV or playing violent video games.

There are a variety of chemical, genetic, sociological and other complicated factors that can aggravate mental illnesses in children. People do not wake up one day deciding to kill themselves, and there are so many ways to help kids who are vulnerable to suicide.

Were there any sudden mood changes? Were they seeking help? Were proper medications made available to them?

I can't believe a doctor, of all people, would spread even more ignorance and blame about a serious illness.

i don't know what the mental health system is like in Russia, but the fact that anyone is trying to oversimplify a disease by blaming anime is disturbing.


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