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jedimaster5000
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WOW, thats quite lame. BTW, what manga is it? Is it one of those samurai mangas, you know, where they behead people, or maybe the one w/ revenge?
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DFBTG
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Not to mention Lolita. Sure it doesn't go into graphic detail (well, Nabokov doesn't go into genitalia), but when it blatantly says they had intercourse (on multiple occasions throughout the book), one would think if they complain about manga, they'd complain about Lolita as well. |
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Zipper
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To be honest I don't know exactly, but I know what the subject of the case is. So whether it's loli or yaoi with some dude who has no pubic hair, it really shouldn't matter. I mean, that's the point. That's another ridiculous thing about this case. Let's say that it was a yaoi or something and it shows the dude with no pubs. Let's go further and say someone drew a drawing of a short dude with no pubs and he had little kid stature, but had it in his head that it was Gary Coleman or Webster. According to this case that would be illegal and owning that pic can get you thrown in prison. It's dumb. And I know people will say "well, we all know what these artists' intentions are with these manga." Well, yes, we do, but that's far from the point. The point is it's about our rights. And taking rights away for some drawings on a paper is beyond absurd. |
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Cloud992345
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"So Tommy, what did you buy at the store today?"
"Violent Gorey Rape Simulator 10 UNCENSORED XXX 18+ For Kids and Pokemon" "POKEMON?? GOOD GOD TOMMY, WHAT HAVE YOU DONEEE!!!!!!" -Army busts into house with Tanks and guys with flamethrowers "BRING US THE MANGA NOW, AND YOU GET 20 YEARS IN JAIL, KID" "NNNNoooooOOOoooOOOoooOOooooOOOooooOOOoooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" "Tommy, you know manga is banned in America, Why did you buy it?" "Because I like manga" "Where did I go wrong in raising you?!" "Okay Kid, Its time to go Downtown" Im going to go write a story about this  
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VLOXY
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I only have one thing to say...
Hermeneutics... |
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sykoeent
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Waitwaitwaitwait.... I thought this was America, land of the free??? FREEDOMMMMMM!!!!!
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minakichan
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This statement defeats the purpose of opening up a channel for discussion in the first place. The obscenity of the images IS the controversial topic, not the fact that it's manga. This kind of switch-and-bait logical reasoning isn't practical; I think an (admittedly) faulty equivalent might be considering a shoplifting case and saying "Whether shoplifting is immoral is besides the point; the question at hand is whether it's wrong to want something." Don't get me wrong; my opinion on this incident lies somewhere between apathetic and sympathetic, so I don't disagree with you. But inflammatory language like this is not real argumentation; it is full of passion and loaded words rather than reasoning, appealing to our lower urges like propoganda. Because you know, if he gets convicted, then surely white Republican Protestants are going to outlaw all manga with any marginally objectionable content. (Clearly, the white Republican Protestants aren't the only ones who drum up extremist Chicken Little situations.) |
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Mistypearl
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I'd like to see the trashy romance novels in CVS be banned before the poor guy goes to jail for 20 years...
Even a year is still a bit much, last time I heard.... Stealing bread = what a month? Buying Manga = 20 years? This makes no sense. Yeah the stuff he bought was shady, but I'm just wondering if it would be the same treatment if he bought Playboy or the like. Also, this pisses me off sooo much. If the manga was indeed child porn or whatever, I feel it should be 20+ years for an offender, rather that someone just owning it, its like the previous case about the poor fictional children. It's still kind of well, disturbing to me, but hell, I'd rather have child porn whatever circulating than have people running about doing stuff like that. It's like people watching CSI. Yes people like the murders and stuff, but it's not going to make them go out and kill people. Seriously, what the heck? Anyway, I guess my take on it is, explict sex scenes and stuff like that is still not my cup of tea, but if it's someone elses, who would have the right to judge them? |
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vashfanatic
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... and this is why you get the sort of "real America" political antics getting pulled in American elections: people who treat "middle America" (i.e., not the coasts) as one big entity, and one that can have any negative image projected onto it. I also resent the idea expressed earlier that only "religious fanatics" endorse these kinds of measures. Again, more name-calling, accomplishing nothing. My personal feelings on the issue are, as I said, mixed. While I see the folly in trying to legislate obscenity, especially across cultural barriers as is the case in Japanese media in the U.S.A., I also find it pretty abhorrent that there are people who purchase and "use" pornographic material involving non-consensual relationships between adults and children (again, still totally unclear on whether that's actually what Mr. horn is being charged with). "It's just art!" is a nice argument, but when its purpose is titillation, it becomes far more sinister. But again - how can we judge how people are using it? We can't. Go after those who distribute the stuff to minors, not adults who may purchase it for whatever reason. Give him a slap on the wrist for breaking a trade law, and then let him go. |
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Nom_Anor
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The problem is obscenity requires more than just causing offense, the material must
1. Appeal to a prurient sexual interest. 2. Be considered offensive by community standards. 3. Lack serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value. (Miller vs. California, the supreme court decision related to obscenity) |
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vashfanatic
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Yeah, and all of those are really subjective, hence why I'd kind of like to know what he actually purchased, rather than just that the prosecutor calls it "obscene." And which community's standards should we go by, Japan's (where it was published) or America's (where it was purchased)? And maybe you might be able to decide 2 and 3, but unless they walked in on him whacking off to it, how can you prove the first? |
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Zipper
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I don't think that snippet was actually part of Carl's reasoning at all. What he was trying to say was that debating such a thing in his article is a moot point because it's something that's only going to be decided in a court of law, regardless of what he may try to argue in an article which won't directly effect the case. We already have our opinions on this matter. We either think it's lawfully obscene and owning such drawings should be punished under the same law the protects real little kids, or we think it's unconstitutional and that something needs to be done. Carl is appealing to those of us who are already of the opinion of the latter. |
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Ghstmtrx
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It seems like in the not to distant future you will have to have some underworld connections to buy manga. I mean come on. Hopefully this guy will get off free and this will be the end of all this sillyness.
Great Editorials BTW. I will be donating when I get some extra money. I want to insure my freedom will always be protected, no matter the circumstances. |
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loka
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methinks you haven't had enough exposure to them. I suppose conventions will become quite the po-po gangbang. |
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Zipper
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No one should be put on trial at all, owner or artist. Because there is no child porn. They're lines on paper. |
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