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NEWS: Yu-Gi-Oh! Lawsuit Settled Between 4Kids, ADK, TV Tokyo

Sometimes I find it incredible that a company that is hated by the fanbase it targets still manages to get back up on its feet each time.

They aren't hated by the fanbase they target. They target little kids and that fanbase loves them to death. The upset ones are grown adults mad that a crappy I collect stuff and fight with it show that solely exists to sell product to 5 year olds isn't packed with sex, gore, and profanity.

Mr. sickVisionz wrote:

They aren't hated by the fanbase they target. They target little kids and that fanbase loves them to death. The upset ones are grown adults mad that a crappy I collect stuff and fight with it show that solely exists to sell product to 5 year olds isn't packed with sex, gore, and profanity.

Kids like anything though, so because little kids them doesn't amount to much. Though given their ratings, I wouldn't say a lot of little kids love them to begin with. 4Kids lose profits each year, so I don't think you can really use that excuse.

And writing off a show for being a kids show is silly, and very narrow-minded of you. Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood is hailed as one of the best anime out there, and that's for kids. Hell, Pocket Monsters airs right before Naruto does in Japan. All three are the same target demographic. There's no difference at all, nor should their releases be treated differently.

First, I think you're painting the "kids" demographic with too broad of a brush. The differences in taste between, say age 8 and age 12 can be quite large.

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Second, 4Kids absolutely does not target us as a fanbase, because their target really is kids and pre-teens. The frustrating part is that they don't acknowledge the older people in the room like the Dexter's Labs and the Friendship is Magics of the world do. I even bet the powers at 4Kids know they don't have to cater to us at all because we're going to watch it, anyway.

They aren't hated by the fanbase they target. They target little kids and that fanbase loves them to death. The upset ones are grown adults mad that a crappy I collect stuff and fight with it show that solely exists to sell product to 5 year olds isn't packed with sex, gore, and profanity.

Joe Mello wrote:

First, I think you're painting the "kids" demographic with too broad of a brush. The differences in taste between, say age 8 and age 12 can be quite large. Quote: Second, 4Kids absolutely does not target us as a fanbase, because their target really is kids and pre-teens. The frustrating part is that they don't acknowledge the older people in the room like the Dexter's Labs and the Friendship is Magics of the world do. I even bet the powers at 4Kids know they don't have to cater to us at all because we're going to watch it, anyway.

Yes, that's my point. 4Kids doesn't target 'anime fans' they target little kids. That's the main problem and why they are a bad company who lose profits each year and will hopefully go down the drain soon; or at least stop licensing anime. And I'm not sure why you used those two shows given they're token kids shows through and through and have no relation at all to these anime or situations.

And if people watch 4Kids dubs when there's fansubs easily available on the internet, that's their problem they're settling for bad Americanized dubs. That's why those fansubs exist in the first place.

No, no, no, you've all miss the point of how 4Kids sees cartoons; which is a 27 minute advertisement for the merchandice they can pack onto a long shelf at Toys-R-Us, and all the other toy shops out there. This was all well and good when they got it right with Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh. It's when they tried to deconstruct and reconstruct titles that were never targeted at kids in the first place and were never going to have merchandise to sell no matter how hard they tried, that in their naivity they blindly walked into a part of town they had no right being, telling everyone they met that only kids who don't know any better, or retarded adults watch cartoons, and got what they deserved for it.

Maybe if they had an alternative version more aligned with the content and language as the Japanese version, it would be more appealing to anime fans.

When it comes down to it, anime fans tend to be more willing to part with money for the products than the parents of viewers.

I had no problem with their version of Winx Club. Though it helps that I never heard ANYTHING about the international version until recently. Since it wasn't anime, only the fan base really complained about it. I don't mind Nick's version, but I do miss the voice talents of Liza Jacqueline and Lisa Ortiz. I watched some of the "RAI" English version (created in Canada for international markets), and I thought the dialogue was incredibly bland. Yeah, 4Kids did go over the top at times, but it was MUCH more fun and entertaining to watch than the other English version. Though I admit that Nick's version is a nice balance between the two.

Pokemon, with a few exceptions, has never received overt editing, certainly not on the scale of the 4Kids One Piece. Bulbapedia lists most the edits to the series on each episode's page. Out of every ten episodes, maybe one had anything cut. Nowadays, the episodes are almost completely unedited (although the voice acting is incredibly awful, and it's getting worse by the season...). Pokemon and Naruto are apples and oranges when it comes to editing. Pokemon has VERY little violence, and Naruto has quite a bit of it. Speaking of One Piece, don't forget about the FUNimation dub of the Skypea arc being shown on Toonami with very little editing.