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Engineering Nerd
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 Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2016 2:12 am
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That is very understandable, since 2014 we have monster-seller series like Love Live!, Haikyuu, Yukai-watch etc; as well as numerous 10000+ and 7000+ sellers.
On the contrast, 2015's anime market is relatively poor. Especially last winter and summer.
Sometimes, many solid sellers along with few best sellers really help to make a great year
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relentlessflame
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Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2016 2:22 am
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I think it's also the case that the market won't be able to depend on physical disc sales to support the weight of anime production forever, and that does mean the production landscape is eventually going to change. Many of the new generation of fans entering the purchasing demographic may not even have a device that even plays physical media. DVD sales continue to decline, but people aren't all just going to switch to Blu-Ray. Japanese anime releases are still generally nice in terms of collector's appeal, but I think the trend is likely going to continue to move towards "experiences" rather than physical items. (The biggest "trick" they've been using to pick up disc sales in recent years has been including event tickets or event lottery tickets with the disc.) It makes sense that there's an increased emphasis on things like concerts.
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dark13
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Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2016 2:27 am
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| Engineering Nerd wrote: | | That is very understandable, since 2014 we have monster-seller series like Love Live!, Haikyuu, Yukai-watch etc; as well as numerous 10000+ and 7000+ sellers.
On the contrast, 2015's anime market is relatively poor. Especially last winter and summer.
Sometimes, many solid sellers along with few best sellers really help to make a great year |
I thought if I could keep my mouth shut I could just ignore this But I have to say something I don't want to believe that 2014 was that great of a year no in fact it was really bad that was the year I drop so many shows ( SAO Season 1 being one of them but its an anime from 2012 so I never watched season 2 ) Haikyuu was like one of the few good ones but everything else was just awful to point, I stopped watching anime for whole year 2015 was the year things got better ( and 2016 looking even better) and it makes me sad that japanese fans and some of you guys think that year was great and it hurts.
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dtm42
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Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2016 2:40 am
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| dark13 wrote: | | But I have to say something I don't want to believe that 2014 was that great of a year no in fact it was really bad that was the year I drop so many shows ( SAO Season 1 being one of them ) |
What? Sword Art Online's first season aired in the second half of 2012.
How can I take the rest of what you say seriously if you can't even get basic dates correct?
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relyat08
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Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2016 2:40 am
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Considering the nearly 10% over all growth of the Animation industry in Japan that was cited last year, this is interesting. I think, more than anything negative, it really does just reflect a difference in how people consume this media and where the money is coming from. It's not so much about those disc sales anymore. Which, I think, is a good thing, all in all. I'm a collector, so I want more physical releases in my part of the world, but I think that the popularity of streaming will do really good things for the variety of anime going forward.
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dark13
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Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2016 2:45 am
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| dtm42 wrote: |
| dark13 wrote: | | But I have to say something I don't want to believe that 2014 was that great of a year no in fact it was really bad that was the year I drop so many shows ( SAO Season 1 being one of them ) |
What? Sword Art Online's first season aired in the second half of 2012.
How can I take the rest of what you say seriously if you can't even get basic dates correct? |
I start season 1 Because people I know where hyping up season 2 that came out in 2014. How about you don't jump the gun next time if you want me to take you seriously ? ( pretty rude if you ask me )
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TheAAA
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Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2016 2:48 am
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I feel like none of you read the article. They straight up say the data combines sales of anime and general animation, including international stuff. Meaning 2015 sales are down because 2014 had Frozen. It's more like 2014 sales were unusually high.
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dark13
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Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2016 2:50 am
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| TheAAA wrote: | | I feel like none of you read the article. They straight up say the data combines sales of anime and general animation, including international stuff. Meaning 2015 sales are down because 2014 had Frozen. It's more like 2014 sales were unusually high. |
oh nice job pointing that out thanks 
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DmonHiro
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Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2016 2:56 am
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If only the market would understand it should make LESS anime per season, producers wouldn't be losing so much money of shows that are competing for the exact same limited demographic.
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SilverTalon01
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Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2016 3:15 am
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| DmonHiro wrote: | | If only the market would understand it should make LESS anime per season, producers wouldn't be losing so much money of shows that are competing for the exact same limited demographic. |
The industry is growing according to the article though so I don't think they're really losing much money. Disc sales may be down a bit but licensing fees afaik have been going up. Also a lot of the shows competing over the same demographic aren't anime original so even if the anime itself loses money, there might be money made elsewhere.
| dark13 wrote: | | I start season 1 Because people I know where hyping up season 2 that came out in 2014. How about you don't jump the gun next time if you want me to take you seriously ? ( pretty rude if you ask me ) |
Sorry, but that still makes no sense at all. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say you knew SAO season 1 wasn't made in 2014. You're still somehow trying to justify 2014 being bad by dropping a show not made in 2014. It doesn't matter if the sequel was made in 2014. What you dropped wasn't, and it doesn't sound like you watched the season which was made in 2014.
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dark13
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Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2016 3:21 am
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| SilverTalon01 wrote: |
| DmonHiro wrote: | | If only the market would understand it should make LESS anime per season, producers wouldn't be losing so much money of shows that are competing for the exact same limited demographic. |
| dark13 wrote: | | I start season 1 Because people I know where hyping up season 2 that came out in 2014. How about you don't jump the gun next time if you want me to take you seriously ? ( pretty rude if you ask me ) |
Sorry, but that still makes no sense at all. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say you knew SAO season 1 wasn't made in 2014. You're still somehow trying to justify 2014 being bad by dropping a show not made in 2014. It doesn't matter if the sequel was made in 2014. What you dropped wasn't, and it doesn't sound like you watched the season which was made in 2014. |
No I didn't watch SAO II if season 2 was going to be the same BS as season 1 ( OP Kirito who wins effortlessly andAsuka who can't save herself) why would I watch season 2 ? there were already other shows I drop at the same time, which I didn't like that came out in 2014 irregular magic high school and M3 the dark metal, I'm sorry but this my opinion ( and these are just examples of many I drop ) honestly 2015 had a lot of good shows this year and 2016 is looking to be better, 2014 was a bad year in terms of anime for me and I was happy I forgot about until today.
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DuchessBianca
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Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2016 3:51 am
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I know very little about market/sales info especially towards the Japanese side of things but I wonder if that collectors market and the insane cost of anime blurays in Japan is finally taking it's toll. Shawne Klecknerhas mentioned that sales for blurays these past couple years at rightstuf has been increasing and manga sales are increasing all over in the NA market. Granted Rightstuf doesn't account for all of the NA anime market but its interesting to see/guess what could be causing one market to have an increase in sales and the other a decrease.
Hopefully this doesn't cause Japanese companies to implement even more restrictions towards the NA market if this trend continues 
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dark13
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Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2016 3:57 am
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| DuchessBianca wrote: | other a decrease.
Hopefully this doesn't cause Japanese companies to implement even more restrictions towards the NA market if this trend continues |
I wouldn't want that ether since I buy most of my Gundam stuff and anime at rightstuff 
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nargun
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Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2016 4:48 am
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| DmonHiro wrote: | | If only the market would understand it should make LESS anime per season, producers wouldn't be losing so much money of shows that are competing for the exact same limited demographic. |
It's a collective-action / tragedy of the commons problem: there are only so many fish out there to be caught, and if everyone puts a net out noone will catch enough to live on... but the people who don't put a net out, they won't get "not enough", they'll get "nothing".
[economic theory suggests that in perfect competition the price of product will be driven to the marginal cost of production... which for digital media is zero and for BD isn't much higher. Certainly never enough to pay your fixed costs, like your animators' rent and food bills. Anime isn't perfect competition, but the all-pervasive subcontracting nature of the industry means that the barriers to entry are pretty low, so it's pretty damned close.]
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One-Eye
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Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2016 5:30 am
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| DuchessBianca wrote: | | ...Shawne Klecknerhas mentioned that sales for blurays these past couple years at rightstuf has been increasing and manga sales are increasing all over in the NA market. Granted Rightstuf doesn't account for all of the NA anime market but its interesting to see/guess what could be causing one market to have an increase in sales and the other a decrease. |
To add to what you said according to Gen Fukunaga Funimation sales were up 22% 2013-2015 while US DVD sales were slumping.
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