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Alabaster Spectrum



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 3:37 am Reply with quote
It's literally called the Nonsense Series and that's the sort of stuff that's the enduring ideal for 2010's anime now it's kind of official.

It's almost barely worth joking about how every Shaft anime (and really lots of anime but more on that later) looks and sounds virtually the same now and are homogenized down to a science of visual, sound profile and character design appeal. Honestly I don't think anyone could be faulted for just automatically assuming this is another part of the now beaten to death Monogatari series at first glance that past it's point of freshness both in style and story to tell years ago. In fact I just assume that's all on purpose for sales reasons. That and get Kajiura and Yuuki Aoi in there because that will remind people of Madoka and that was popular too even though her overly serious Madoka Magica sounding music doesn't seem to fit any of the cuts used for the trailer at all. Really hard not to be cynical about Aniplex anime on a daily basis and how homogenized and cookie cutter they've made just about everything to do with the scene and Shaft looks like it's going nowhere interesting fast after a respectable original hit with the Madoka TV series. Thought the movie was awful by the way and very much in the cynically commercial vein of the post success Aniplex hegemony of how to run a production.

Nothing new at this point though. I honestly will never understand how so many people can just go for streamlined appeal light novel fast food type stuff like this time after time season after season year after year but I'm obviously just getting too old and tired of every popular anime featuring the same exact sets of people and styles now and it's kind of even getting boring pointing it out and by this point I think enough people that would even care have long since seen it too and come to the same conclusions I have.

It's just too obviously all the same thing to me and pumped out too fast and too cynically commercially and stuff that I never really liked all that much in the first place for reasons I guess not everybody can appreciate but make it hard for me to care anymore as a fan of 20 years. I'll probably be signing off from this community entirely very soon as with 2016 which was an observational year for me fast closing out there's just no sign of it changing or breaking out of the cycle and it not being the most popular and sought after sort of thing from anime anymore.

I get it it's readily popular and profitable but just not for me anymore. Maybe I'll do what I've done before and check out for a few years like I did around the mid 90's, come back and see if literally anything has changed and if Aniplex still dominates the industry with it's boring formulas and get rich quick combination schemes centered around working the otaku fanatic angle.
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Blues Drive Monster~



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 4:03 am Reply with quote
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Why don't they make anime like Cowboy Bebop anymore?
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Alabaster Spectrum



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 4:09 am Reply with quote
Blues Drive Monster~ wrote:
Alabaster Spectrum wrote:

Why don't they make anime like Cowboy Bebop anymore?


Yeah see this is the problem with the anime community now because I literally never said that anywhere and it's neither funny nor clever to claim I did and simplify everything down to a point. I could practically do an essay on how the 4chan sort of hegemony has come to define the discourse of the modern anime fan on the internet and how that has arguably contributed just as much to why things are the way they are now and just kind of unappealing but I figure it'd fall on death ears. People are just too cynical and insincere now and the kind of thing I do where I just try to put into words how I actually feel about things and not just to get a rise out of people seems to be frowned upon. It's made it really easy to leave more than a few communities already without many if any regrets.
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Blues Drive Monster~



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 4:14 am Reply with quote
Alabaster Spectrum wrote:
Yeah see this is the problem with the anime community now because I literally never said that anywhere and it's neither funny nor clever to claim I did and simplify everything down to a point. I could practically do an essay on how the 4chan sort of hegemony has come to define the discourse of the modern anime fan on the internet and how that has arguably contributed just as much to why things are the way they are now and just kind of unappealing but I figure it'd fall on death ears. People are just too cynical and insincere now and the kind of thing I do where I just try to put into words how I actually feel about things and not just to get a rise out of people seems to be frowned upon. It's made it really easy to leave more than a few communities already without many if any regrets.
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You're right. I apologise for being so rude. I'm just pretty tired of the "anime these days is all the same/sucks discourse"
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Cetais



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... Eh... Blues Drive Monster~, have you read what he wrote?
He's saying it looks like any other project from Shaft.

I know it's from NisiOisin, but damn, they could have gone with a different style; this just feel like another Monogatari anime.

It makes this whole production looks dull, boring, and there's no personality to it.

I would have loved if they kept the style of the original novel.
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Blues Drive Monster~



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 4:30 am Reply with quote
Cetais wrote:
... Eh... Blues Drive Monster~, have you read what he wrote?
He's saying it looks like any other project from Shaft.

I know it's from NisiOisin, but damn, they could have gone with a different style; this just feel like another Monogatari anime.

It makes this whole production looks dull, boring, and there's no personality to it.

I would have loved if they kept the style of the original novel.


Evidently not. Again, I apologise.
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GaryNhk



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 4:45 am Reply with quote
Cetais wrote:
... Eh... Blues Drive Monster~, have you read what he wrote?
He's saying it looks like any other project from Shaft.

I know it's from NisiOisin, but damn, they could have gone with a different style; this just feel like another Monogatari anime.

It makes this whole production looks dull, boring, and there's no personality to it.

I would have loved if they kept the style of the original novel.
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The guy rant and rumble on about shaft when all company have a style and stick with it. Kyoani being a big one thats just the same tons of shows that look just alike. Its a pointless rant. If you don't like it don't watch it but theres no way you can because its a dvd/blu ray ova release no streaming. So don't be disappointed on something you can't even see
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Kreion



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 5:43 am Reply with quote
Alabaster Spectrum wrote:
It's literally called the Nonsense Series and that's the sort of stuff that's the enduring ideal for 2010's anime now it's kind of official.

It's almost barely worth joking about how every Shaft anime (and really lots of anime but more on that later) looks and sounds virtually the same now and are homogenized down to a science of visual, sound profile and character design appeal. Honestly I don't think anyone could be faulted for just automatically assuming this is another part of the now beaten to death Monogatari series at first glance that past it's point of freshness both in style and story to tell years ago. In fact I just assume that's all on purpose for sales reasons. That and get Kajiura and Yuuki Aoi in there because that will remind people of Madoka and that was popular too even though her overly serious Madoka Magica sounding music doesn't seem to fit any of the cuts used for the trailer at all. Really hard not to be cynical about Aniplex anime on a daily basis and how homogenized and cookie cutter they've made just about everything to do with the scene and Shaft looks like it's going nowhere interesting fast after a respectable original hit with the Madoka TV series. Thought the movie was awful by the way and very much in the cynically commercial vein of the post success Aniplex hegemony of how to run a production.

Nothing new at this point though. I honestly will never understand how so many people can just go for streamlined appeal light novel fast food type stuff like this time after time season after season year after year but I'm obviously just getting too old and tired of every popular anime featuring the same exact sets of people and styles now and it's kind of even getting boring pointing it out and by this point I think enough people that would even care have long since seen it too and come to the same conclusions I have.

It's just too obviously all the same thing to me and pumped out too fast and too cynically commercially and stuff that I never really liked all that much in the first place for reasons I guess not everybody can appreciate but make it hard for me to care anymore as a fan of 20 years. I'll probably be signing off from this community entirely very soon as with 2016 which was an observational year for me fast closing out there's just no sign of it changing or breaking out of the cycle and it not being the most popular and sought after sort of thing from anime anymore.

I get it it's readily popular and profitable but just not for me anymore. Maybe I'll do what I've done before and check out for a few years like I did around the mid 90's, come back and see if literally anything has changed and if Aniplex still dominates the industry with it's boring formulas and get rich quick combination schemes centered around working the otaku fanatic angle.


Tl;Dr Blah, blah, good points, blah, blah, the same problems every media has had since the dawn of time, blah blah, justification of your own superior opinion.

Seriously, this wall of text manages to smother every good point you have with a hearty dose of elitism and a failure to understand how media has always developed.

Let's start on your good points. Yes, this anime would have been more interesting if it had stuck closer to the novel style and it would have been nice to see shaft do that. Yes, anime looking the same is a problem, but I don't think it's any more or less one than any medium with a 'style' which is to say, all of them. It's worth mentioning but ultimately its pointless to complain about like this because it's inevitable.

Yes more anime is being pumped out faster with less care being given to them - another by product of a bigger industry and hard to apply to something which isn't even out yet

Now moving on - it's entirely your fault if you don't find mainstream light novel adaptions interesting yet continue to watch them. The responsibility is on you to find the series which interest you and filter out the trash. The popularity of something had never been a good indicator of quality.

Looking at Shaft specifically - the idea that they are 'milking' Monogatari is [expletive] laughable. Oh no, they are completely animating a series, how evil. They are 'milking' Kizumonogatari - that shouldn't be 3 movies at all, but the series as a whole? They said they would do this like 5 years ago. Does all their stuff look the same? There's certainly similarities but this can be said for almost every studio.

Kyoani stuff looks like kyoani, trigger looks like trigger and shaft looks like shaft - you can tell them all apart pretty easily. Still, shows like Sangatsu no lion do not look like their usual style. Kofuku graffiti was different as it was more mainstream and the kizu movies are noticeable different...so your points feel a bit moot to be honest.

Again, you had good points but hid them under layers and layers of pointless rant about the anime industry - most of which could apply to any industry.
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Alabaster Spectrum



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 6:57 am Reply with quote
Kreion wrote:
Alabaster Spectrum wrote:
It's literally called the Nonsense Series and that's the sort of stuff that's the enduring ideal for 2010's anime now it's kind of official.

It's almost barely worth joking about how every Shaft anime (and really lots of anime but more on that later) looks and sounds virtually the same now and are homogenized down to a science of visual, sound profile and character design appeal. Honestly I don't think anyone could be faulted for just automatically assuming this is another part of the now beaten to death Monogatari series at first glance that past it's point of freshness both in style and story to tell years ago. In fact I just assume that's all on purpose for sales reasons. That and get Kajiura and Yuuki Aoi in there because that will remind people of Madoka and that was popular too even though her overly serious Madoka Magica sounding music doesn't seem to fit any of the cuts used for the trailer at all. Really hard not to be cynical about Aniplex anime on a daily basis and how homogenized and cookie cutter they've made just about everything to do with the scene and Shaft looks like it's going nowhere interesting fast after a respectable original hit with the Madoka TV series. Thought the movie was awful by the way and very much in the cynically commercial vein of the post success Aniplex hegemony of how to run a production.

Nothing new at this point though. I honestly will never understand how so many people can just go for streamlined appeal light novel fast food type stuff like this time after time season after season year after year but I'm obviously just getting too old and tired of every popular anime featuring the same exact sets of people and styles now and it's kind of even getting boring pointing it out and by this point I think enough people that would even care have long since seen it too and come to the same conclusions I have.

It's just too obviously all the same thing to me and pumped out too fast and too cynically commercially and stuff that I never really liked all that much in the first place for reasons I guess not everybody can appreciate but make it hard for me to care anymore as a fan of 20 years. I'll probably be signing off from this community entirely very soon as with 2016 which was an observational year for me fast closing out there's just no sign of it changing or breaking out of the cycle and it not being the most popular and sought after sort of thing from anime anymore.

I get it it's readily popular and profitable but just not for me anymore. Maybe I'll do what I've done before and check out for a few years like I did around the mid 90's, come back and see if literally anything has changed and if Aniplex still dominates the industry with it's boring formulas and get rich quick combination schemes centered around working the otaku fanatic angle.


Tl;Dr Blah, blah, good points, blah, blah, the same problems every media has had since the dawn of time, blah blah, justification of your own superior opinion.

Seriously, this wall of text manages to smother every good point you have with a hearty dose of elitism and a failure to understand how media has always developed.

Let's start on your good points. Yes, this anime would have been more interesting if it had stuck closer to the novel style and it would have been nice to see shaft do that. Yes, anime looking the same is a problem, but I don't think it's any more or less one than any medium with a 'style' which is to say, all of them. It's worth mentioning but ultimately its pointless to complain about like this because it's inevitable.

Yes more anime is being pumped out faster with less care being given to them - another by product of a bigger industry and hard to apply to something which isn't even out yet

Now moving on - it's entirely your fault if you don't find mainstream light novel adaptions interesting yet continue to watch them. The responsibility is on you to find the series which interest you and filter out the trash. The popularity of something had never been a good indicator of quality.

Looking at Shaft specifically - the idea that they are 'milking' Monogatari is [expletive] laughable. Oh no, they are completely animating a series, how evil. They are 'milking' Kizumonogatari - that shouldn't be 3 movies at all, but the series as a whole? They said they would do this like 5 years ago. Does all their stuff look the same? There's certainly similarities but this can be said for almost every studio.

Kyoani stuff looks like kyoani, trigger looks like trigger and shaft looks like shaft - you can tell them all apart pretty easily. Still, shows like Sangatsu no lion do not look like their usual style. Kofuku graffiti was different as it was more mainstream and the kizu movies are noticeable different...so your points feel a bit moot to be honest.

Again, you had good points but hid them under layers and layers of pointless rant about the anime industry - most of which could apply to any industry.


I guess I can say looking through your post history I can see you seem to get very agitated any time anybody calls out Shaft or any sort of implication of what this industry is currently about which I find puzzling and rantish in itself but I guess tracks in why most would bother you. I've noticed people seem really unwilling to have this sort of discussion and often try to deflect and say other industries are like this too but I just don't see it to the same stark degree anywhere else right now besides maybe pop/rap music which is very assembly line it's schticks. Sue me I guess.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 8:06 am Reply with quote
Kreion wrote:
Kyoani stuff looks like kyoani, trigger looks like trigger and shaft looks like shaft - you can tell them all apart pretty easily. Still, shows like Sangatsu no lion do not look like their usual style. Kofuku graffiti was different as it was more mainstream and the kizu movies are noticeable different...so your points feel a bit moot to be honest.


The problem is, SHAFT have been known to do different styles and do them very well (i.e Zetsubou Sensei), and they had a great chance to this time but instead they're clearly piggy-backing on the success of Monogatari (and, as Alabaster Spectrum said, popularity of Madoka for OST and Aoi Yuki being cast).
As Cetais said, it makes it look dull and have no personality. I've seen quite a few people saying this looks like a Monogatari 2, which doesn't do much in it's favor in terms of originality or personality.

As for the trailer, it didn't really have much to excite me (though of course, it'd take a miracle to excite me at this point), but nice to see they're getting the head tilts out of the way early.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 8:24 am Reply with quote
When was the last time Shaft did the SZS style, though, 2012? The only thing from recent years Shaft has done you can say was actually in a different style was... er, that Hidamari Sketch special in 2013?

Nisekoi, Koufuku Graffiti, and Mekakucity Actors didn't exactly have an abundance of style. I guess you can count Kizu being really different, but I don't think anyone wants to wait 8 years for the Zaregoto OVAs either.
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Style is fine, voice actors are fine, but I don't like the music. Yuki Kajiura wouldn't be my first choice at all. I'd have loved to see Iwasaki Taku to do the music just like he did for Katanagatari. Iwasaki is an amazing composer. I'm also kind of sick of Kalafina.
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I liked Katanagatari, but this really isn't convincing me that it's not just another harem.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 12:14 pm Reply with quote
Eisenmann V wrote:
I liked Katanagatari, but this really isn't convincing me that it's not just another harem.


It really isn't. Aside from Kunagisa being very close to Ii, all other girls either hate him, scoff at him, or are merely interested in his psyche. Especially considering this is just the first book.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 8:15 pm Reply with quote
killjoy_the wrote:
When was the last time Shaft did the SZS style, though, 2012? The only thing from recent years Shaft has done you can say was actually in a different style was... er, that Hidamari Sketch special in 2013?


Shaft doesn't just have the SZS style.

I'd say that the Madoka TV series was a nice variation on the Shaft house style (the movies less so --- lots of that empty urban Monogatarian architectural landscapes). Sure they imported Gekidan Inu Curry for a lot of that distinctive style, but ... good for them! What a great choice!

Also, Denpa onna to seishun otoko was very different from SZS, Monogatari, and Madoka. (I don't remember enough of Maria+holic's visual style to say anything about it. Nisekoi was pretty Monogataric, visually). Going back a bit further, Shaft did some nice stuff with their approach to Negima!? (though I suppose the scene where Charlotte first appears could be inserted into Kizumonogatari and no one would notice (there are some specific Shaft young blonde vampire visual tropes --- I was amused to see echoes of Dance in the Vampire Bund in Kizumonogatari)).

There's a non-cynical interpretation of Shaft's choices for this production.

Akio Watanabe has been designing characters for Shinbo at least since Starship girl Yamamoto Yohko, maybe longer. I also wish they'd used Take (character designer for the Zaregoto and Katanagatari novels) because of his distinctive look (Watanabe is distinctive, too, but still looks pretty conventional for anime), but clearly Shinbo likes working with Watanabe.

Yuki Aoi is pretty well suited for the Tomo character, and she is part of the Shaft stable of voice actresses after all (I'm surprised no Chiwa Saito, nor Ai Nonaka --- they've been Shaft regulars for years).

Yuki Kajiura has been working with Shaft since Petite Cossette. This novel is borderline horror as were Cossette and Madoka, so she's not that surprising a choice for this work. I agree with the preference Shaft go elsewhere for their music (Zetsubou Sensei, Pani Poni Dash and Hidamari Sketch had wonderful variety in their soundtracks --- someone at Shaft has (or had) a good ear. But those series were comedies (more or less), so the variegated soundtracks fit better.
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