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D00dleB0Y
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 Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 11:58 am
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So to my understanding, Despair Arc really only has 11 episodes, and Future Arc really has 13? If the Hope Arc episode is the true ending, that means it should take place after Future Arc episode 12.
If this is the case, Funimation got a lot of fixing to do with their DR3 episode list. They numbered the Despair Arc as episodes 1-12 and Future Arc as 13-24 so that when the series is completed, one could just marathon the show starting from Despair Arc and ending with Future Arc. This wouldn't work if they made the Hope Arc episode 12.
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Derpinat0r
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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:04 pm
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Im hoping after they end despair or future arc. which ever is shown last. show us a new season to danganronpa where they adapt the 2nd game. it would fit the timing perfectly imo.
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Saffire
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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:32 pm
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| D00dleB0Y wrote: | | So to my understanding, Despair Arc really only has 11 episodes, and Future Arc really has 13? If the Hope Arc episode is the true ending, that means it should take place after Future Arc episode 12.
If this is the case, Funimation got a lot of fixing to do with their DR3 episode list. They numbered the Despair Arc as episodes 1-12 and Future Arc as 13-24 so that when the series is completed, one could just marathon the show starting from Despair Arc and ending with Future Arc. This wouldn't work if they made the Hope Arc episode 12. |
It's in the Despair time slot, so it's still technically 12/12.
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Kezone
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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 1:21 pm
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| D00dleB0Y wrote: | | So to my understanding, Despair Arc really only has 11 episodes, and Future Arc really has 13? If the Hope Arc episode is the true ending, that means it should take place after Future Arc episode 12.
If this is the case, Funimation got a lot of fixing to do with their DR3 episode list. They numbered the Despair Arc as episodes 1-12 and Future Arc as 13-24 so that when the series is completed, one could just marathon the show starting from Despair Arc and ending with Future Arc. This wouldn't work if they made the Hope Arc episode 12. |
They really should change it anyways, considering it's mean to be viewed Future 1, Despair 1, Future 2, Despair 2, ect. It just wouldn't work as well if you marathoned them one at a time, the mysteries and suspense wouldn't play out right.
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D00dleB0Y
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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 1:35 pm
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| Kezone wrote: |
| D00dleB0Y wrote: | | So to my understanding, Despair Arc really only has 11 episodes, and Future Arc really has 13? If the Hope Arc episode is the true ending, that means it should take place after Future Arc episode 12.
If this is the case, Funimation got a lot of fixing to do with their DR3 episode list. They numbered the Despair Arc as episodes 1-12 and Future Arc as 13-24 so that when the series is completed, one could just marathon the show starting from Despair Arc and ending with Future Arc. This wouldn't work if they made the Hope Arc episode 12. |
They really should change it anyways, considering it's mean to be viewed Future 1, Despair 1, Future 2, Despair 2, ect. It just wouldn't work as well if you marathoned them one at a time, the mysteries and suspense wouldn't play out right. |
Actually, both arcs can be viewed separately, without having to watch the other. I think it works out perfectly okay.
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doubleO7
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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 1:36 pm
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| Saffire wrote: | | It's in the Despair time slot, so it's still technically 12/12. |
But it's not a Despair episode. Yes, it's in that timeslot, but it does change the title. So it's technically now 12/11/1.
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D00dleB0Y
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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 1:37 pm
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| Saffire wrote: |
| D00dleB0Y wrote: | | So to my understanding, Despair Arc really only has 11 episodes, and Future Arc really has 13? If the Hope Arc episode is the true ending, that means it should take place after Future Arc episode 12.
If this is the case, Funimation got a lot of fixing to do with their DR3 episode list. They numbered the Despair Arc as episodes 1-12 and Future Arc as 13-24 so that when the series is completed, one could just marathon the show starting from Despair Arc and ending with Future Arc. This wouldn't work if they made the Hope Arc episode 12. |
It's in the Despair time slot, so it's still technically 12/12. |
Well that's the problem. Despair episodes 1-11 take place before Future Arc, while Hope Arc seemingly takes place after Future. If you were to marathon the series, it wouldn't work if Hope Arc is categorized as episode 12 of Despair Arc.
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John Thacker
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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 1:44 pm
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| D00dleB0Y wrote: | | Actually, both arcs can be viewed separately, without having to watch the other. I think it works out perfectly okay. |
Eh, they can, but it's clearly designed to work better interleaved, as each episode in one arc is relevant to and contains information about the next airing episode in the other arc. So I think it's far from optimal.
Interestingly, the Japanese home video release splits the difference here. The DVDs are split up by series, (12 volumes, 6 Future and 6 Despair/Hope each with 2 episodes), whereas the Blu-Rays are interleaved (4 boxes, each with 6 episodes, 3 from each series.)
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lossthief
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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 1:45 pm
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| D00dleB0Y wrote: | | Well that's the problem. Despair episodes 1-11 take place before Future Arc, while Hope Arc seemingly takes place after Future. If you were to marathon the series, it wouldn't work if Hope Arc is categorized as episode 12 of Despair Arc. |
which is why the series is supposed to be watched in tandem in the first place. The creator himself has said the 2 "arcs" are meant to be viewed Future 01 -> Despair 01 -> Future 02 -> Despair 02 etc etc. "Hope Arc" taking the timeslot of Despair just means it's meant to be viewed last.
And honestly, I'm not sure how you'd get the idea that the arcs can be viewed separately considering how much Despair Arc's content is used to give context for or explain things that happen in Future arc.
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bleachj0j
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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 2:08 pm
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| Derpinat0r wrote: | | Im hoping after they end despair or future arc. which ever is shown last. show us a new season to danganronpa where they adapt the 2nd game. it would fit the timing perfectly imo. |
They're not going to do an anime on the second game. They've said as much. Its the reason why Danganronpa 3 is a thing, because 3 wouldn't work as a game and 2 wouldn't work as an anime.
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doubleO7
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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 2:14 pm
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| D00dleB0Y wrote: | | Actually, both arcs can be viewed separately, without having to watch the other. I think it works out perfectly okay. |
While it's not a terribly big deal, I'd hardly call it "perfectly okay."
To elaborate on what others have said, while they can technically be watched independently, it's still not recommended. The arcs lean on each other too much, especially towards the end. Each arc defnintely assumes you've the other. Big plot points, twists and other things of note are introduced in one arc, to only become relevant in the next episode of the other arc. Future in particular relies on Despair quite a bit for setup. For instance, important things like Chisa's corruption or even the existence of video brainwashing would've come completely out of left field had they not been introduced previously in Despair. IMO the tradeoff to this novel concept is that it weakens each individual arc. Even putting aside the HUGE ISSUE that they spoil each other as they go on, the abundance of plot points that don't go anywhere and abrupt introduction of new concepts and twists with little explanation just make each arc feel like it's sloppily written, when it actually works perfectly as part of the big picture.
Broadcast order really should be thought of as the "default" way of watching Danganronpa 3. So while obviously no one can stop you from watching one without the other, and you won't be completely lost doing so, there's really no reason to if you can help it unless you REALLY want to spoil yourself on the other half's biggest twists for some reason.
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Tanteikingdomkey
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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 7:57 pm
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| doubleO7 wrote: |
| D00dleB0Y wrote: | | Actually, both arcs can be viewed separately, without having to watch the other. I think it works out perfectly okay. |
While it's not a terribly big deal, I'd hardly call it "perfectly okay."
Broadcast order really should be thought of as the "default" way of watching Danganronpa 3. So while obviously no one can stop you from watching one without the other, and you won't be completely lost doing so, there's really no reason to if you can help it unless you REALLY want to spoil yourself on the other half's biggest twists for some reason. |
Yay I am sorry but I also need to call BS on it being "perfectly ok"
episodes 4 future, 4 despair, and 5 future are VERY clearly meant to be watched next to each other as 4 (f) introduces the conflict, 4(d) provides the back story to the conflict, and 5 (f) provides the resolution to the conflict.
Would it kill the enjoyment for someone but as previously hammered home the plot, themes, and emotional message of the series is far to interwoven for the series to be well understood without watching them intertwined.
You would understand it later by watching them in chronological order but then you would get spoiled on a lot of twist/or lack there of in the future arc episodes which would be a huge disservice to the series I think.
I really do think that they probably should have given the 12th episode to despair rather then future arc though just because I honestly think they probably could have done more with a 12th despair arc episode and episode 11 despair I think would work much better as a lead in to hope arc
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Renasviel
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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 8:03 pm
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| Kezone wrote: |
| D00dleB0Y wrote: | | So to my understanding, Despair Arc really only has 11 episodes, and Future Arc really has 13? If the Hope Arc episode is the true ending, that means it should take place after Future Arc episode 12.
If this is the case, Funimation got a lot of fixing to do with their DR3 episode list. They numbered the Despair Arc as episodes 1-12 and Future Arc as 13-24 so that when the series is completed, one could just marathon the show starting from Despair Arc and ending with Future Arc. This wouldn't work if they made the Hope Arc episode 12. |
They really should change it anyways, considering it's mean to be viewed Future 1, Despair 1, Future 2, Despair 2, ect. It just wouldn't work as well if you marathoned them one at a time, the mysteries and suspense wouldn't play out right. |
Actually, both arcs can be viewed separately, without having to watch the other. I think it works out perfectly okay. |
They *can*, but they're clearly not supposed to be. Kadoka himself refers to each episode by order of airing, (so Despair 5 was Episode 10), and the way they link to each other means Future 1 Despair 1 is the correct order. Which makes sense of course, given that they're airing simultaneously.
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Tanteikingdomkey
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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 8:26 pm
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| Renasviel wrote: |
| D00dleB0Y wrote: |
| Kezone wrote: |
| D00dleB0Y wrote: | | So to my understanding, Despair Arc really only has 11 episodes, and Future Arc really has 13? If the Hope Arc episode is the true ending, that means it should take place after Future Arc episode 12.
If this is the case, Funimation got a lot of fixing to do with their DR3 episode list. They numbered the Despair Arc as episodes 1-12 and Future Arc as 13-24 so that when the series is completed, one could just marathon the show starting from Despair Arc and ending with Future Arc. This wouldn't work if they made the Hope Arc episode 12. |
They really should change it anyways, considering it's mean to be viewed Future 1, Despair 1, Future 2, Despair 2, ect. It just wouldn't work as well if you marathoned them one at a time, the mysteries and suspense wouldn't play out right. |
Actually, both arcs can be viewed separately, without having to watch the other. I think it works out perfectly okay. |
They *can*, but they're clearly not supposed to be. Kadoka himself refers to each episode by order of airing, (so Despair 5 was Episode 10), and the way they link to each other means Future 1 Despair 1 is the correct order. Which makes sense of course, given that they're airing simultaneously. |
Given that originally the series was supposed to be split cour but they pushed it up so that it air next to each other is a clear indication that they are supposed to be viewed inter-wived
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John Thacker
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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 8:31 pm
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| Tanteikingdomkey wrote: | | I really do think that they probably should have given the 12th episode to despair rather then future arc though just because I honestly think they probably could have done more with a 12th despair arc episode and episode 11 despair I think would work much better as a lead in to hope arc |
Hmm, it's hard to say, but they'd have to have changed the pacing. As it is right now, they didn't do much with the 11th Despair Arc episode, and meanwhile there seems to be a lot of plot threads left in the Future Arc. Hypothetically with different Despair Arc pacing they could have fit more in earlier, though.
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