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REVIEW: Digimon Adventure tri. Episodes 9-13 Streaming


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kpk



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 10:43 am Reply with quote
While the movie/episodes were great, Tamers is still the best thing that came out of this franchise.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 11:01 am Reply with quote
kpk wrote:
While the movie/episodes were great, Tamers is still the best thing that came out of this franchise.

Yeah, both the Adventure 01 and Tamers were very good. Did you notice Tai was wearing his old clothes from 01??? Smile
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I was super excited for part 3, so while I sat in my office at work, doing some basic data entry, I figured I'd put Tri on my phone to watch while I typed away.

This was a mistake.

Three coworkers asked me if I was okay while I huddled at my desk and tried not to cry D:

So good though! But I was definitely emotionally compromised the rest of the day...

Also, pardon me while I scream KEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 12:06 pm Reply with quote
Gennai is wearing black now, so he's evil I guess. Maybe a clone?

Overall, the movie was okay. I found the first half kind of boring to be honest. I really don't care for Mei as a character. The second movie was obviously supposed to make us care, but it didn't work on me. Mei is just such a useless addition to the group. Also, apparently Mei has had Meikoomon for a long time and her father was aware that she was "special"? How would he know that when Digimon weren't even known back then?

Using Takeru as the focus for the infected plot was a good move. It makes sense he would be the most apprehensive to telling anyone and dealing with the possibility that Patamon would die again.

It was also a good move to involve the Digimon in the plot for once. Too often in the other movies and even some parts of this one, the Digimon have just been cute machines. They'll make constant comments about food and be cute and that's it. It was getting annoying, but we got something here. That latter part actually did get me emotional. Especially Jou/Gomamon's and Koushiro/Tentomon's.

The fight was kind of lackluster. Just pushing each other around. The movies are having some trouble making these Ultimate evolutions feel grand, this was at least better than Jou and Mimi's.

I just really don't think the series is as strong as some people think it is. The pacing is still off, scenes can still be boring while characters just reiterate what the audience knows already. This movie was better, but still not hitting on all cylinders yet.

Oh, hey Himeka, why do you have that D3? Anyone? Maybe we should check on the other kids? Anyone? Okay.

Am I the only that thought that this whole reveal on what's happening with the Digital World sort of inconsistent with the origin 02 gave it?


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 1:35 pm Reply with quote
Evangelion part 3 was terrible but Tri part 3 was amazing. This film was so emotional especially for fans who grew up with the show. To think that everything has been reset is tragic although I'm sure they'll get their memories back.
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Hello Wingbeats!
Wingbeats wrote:
I was super excited for part 3, so while I sat in my office at work, doing some basic data entry, I figured I'd put Tri on my phone to watch while I typed away.

This was a mistake.

Three coworkers asked me if I was okay while I huddled at my desk and tried not to cry D:

Cripes, I am almost sorry to hear that! That sort of thing can only upset one's concentration.

It must have been quite an artistic gamble to anticipate that an unabashedly cathartic depiction of familiar child protagonists stumbling into adulthood would resonate with established fans without imparting a sense of alienation, but the present encomium suggests that this series has been successful to such an end.

Indeed, much the same could be said of a certain fictional wizard about whom I have little to say. (But what will be next? Might Rugrats attempt another time-skip, perchance?)
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Lycosyncer



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This is probably the most emotional that I have ever been with the Digimon franchise ever since the first season finale! This movie just made me tear up so much! It's only going to make the wait for the next movie even more agonizing! When's February going to come? I want it now!

As for the film itself, as emotional as it ended up, just like the last two films, this latest film just keeps up the tradition of raising more questions than answers and with how much it still hasn't answered what we all wanted to know yet like where's the 02 Digidestined and how come the others never noticed them being missing for so long because hello, they're fellow Digidestined!

Also, the more I see Maki Himekawa smirking in a rather sinister look and her meeting with the new Digimon Emperor that is revealed to be spoiler[an unusually evil looking Gennai in dark robes], I am really suspecting that she's playing a part in what is going wrong at this moment.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 2:44 pm Reply with quote
Weird, I thought that the only action scene there is was great. It had much better storyboarding, better timing and less "the eight freaking Digimons throwing their attacks at once", thus it felt much more dynamic. I liked the timing as well. The humans still look more or less the same, nothing particularly impressive from their part except for the scenes involvign TK and Izzy.

That said, I didn't feel that this movie was exactly sad, or depressing, it felt emotional, it felt strong, but I didn't feel sad, I felt intrigued and interested. So I don't get the whole "it starts sad and ends sad" thing, but whatever.

Also, I don't believe the "+ and -" are helpful to summarize the review, at points it feels like the writer has to put whatever they thought was off no matter how small to fill in the space. Perhaps a commentary of the same lenght below the scores would seem better.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 10:17 pm Reply with quote
I think morose might be a better worse than sad. There's a pervading sense of impending loss through the entire movie. I was a little disinterested at the beginning due to expecting more action, but the scene with spoiler[Takeru holding Patamon] made me completely break down, in large part because my oldest cat passed away recently and it reminded me of him.

Not quite what I signed up for, but it was a great movie.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 10:24 pm Reply with quote
bleachj0j wrote:
Gennai is wearing black now, so he's evil I guess. Maybe a clone?

May indeed be one of the clones, I thought perhaps it could also have something to do with that black "seed" Piemon (Piedmon) stuck into his back.

bleachj0j wrote:
Oh, hey Himeka, why do you have that D3? Anyone? Maybe we should check on the other kids? Anyone? Okay.

Yeah, those parts where they obviously should be questioning about Daisuke's group and don't is really irritating me Anime hyper
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 11:46 pm Reply with quote
I enjoyed the movie a lot and I gave it 9/10 on my MAL account but there are still a few issues I had with it that I was hoping this review would address. While emotional and sad, I can't help but keeping feeling Takeru was being a bit of a hypocrite in this movie compared to his actions in Adventure 02. In 02 there was a spoiler[plot line where Ken kidnapped Agumon and turned him evil and they had to fight him to save him. Daisuke didn't want to because he was upset about having to harm Agumon. Takeru responded by being an obnoxious jerk and punching Daisuke in the face and lecturing Daisuke about how they have no choice but to fight Agumon even if it means hurting him. That scene always made me hate Takeru in those episodes yet for some reason Daisuke was always the character everyone loved to hate in 02. Yet here it seems like Takeru's actions are the complete opposite and he's doing the same things he chided Daisuke for doing in 02. ] Knowing the writer for this movie hasn't had any prior experience with writing on Digimon before helped make this inconsistency make more sense, but it still kept bugging me about Takeru's actions the whole time because I kept thinking about those 02 episodes. I had the same issue with Joe's actions in the second movie in contrast with his actions in later Adventure episodes.

My other problem with this movie was how over sexualized they made the female Digimon in this movie be. Like Angewomon has always been kind of a fanservicey character but they always kept it appropriate and tasteful for the franchise. In this movie, it seemed like in every scene they kept flashing her butt or her boobs at us and that was very awkward. It felt a bit hypocritical to me too considering this was the reason Saban banned American Digimon fans from being able to buy that really nice Angewomon figure I know a lot of fans really wanted. So it's ok for us to have Angewomon fanservice flashed in front of us in every scene she's in this movie but it's not ok for us to buy a figure of her that's far more tamer than this movie? And was it really necessary for them to show us Meicoomon's boobs in her evolved form?
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Stuart Smith



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 2:52 am Reply with quote
CCTakato wrote:

My other problem with this movie was how over sexualized they made the female Digimon in this movie be. Like Angewomon has always been kind of a fanservicey character but they always kept it appropriate and tasteful for the franchise. In this movie, it seemed like in every scene they kept flashing her butt or her boobs at us and that was very awkward. It felt a bit hypocritical to me too considering this was the reason Saban banned American Digimon fans from being able to buy that really nice Angewomon figure I know a lot of fans really wanted. So it's ok for us to have Angewomon fanservice flashed in front of us in every scene she's in this movie but it's not ok for us to buy a figure of her that's far more tamer than this movie? And was it really necessary for them to show us Meicoomon's boobs in her evolved form?


Digimon's always been sexualized, it's a bit late to start complaining now. Adventure, 02 and Frontier had plenty of shots, most of which were censored out of the Dub. Tamers didn't have any fanservice from what I remember, which was an odd exception.

Tri's distribution isnt handled by Saban, so it's not hypocritical. Saban only has Xros Wars right now, and they kept up the routine of censoring all the fanserice out, so they are still consistant.

-Stuart Smith
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CCTakato



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I already mentioned that Angewomon has always been a bit fanservicey, but my point is that Tri really escalated beyond what was really needed. You're stretching things if you're claiming anything in Adventure and 02 was as sexualized as what we've seen in these new Tri movies. The closest I can think of is maybe LadyDevimon but even with her character, it never felt like it was something they were overemphasizing with her; it was just part of her design but not really the focus. The one saving grace is that Tri is at least equal opportunity and has fanservice for the male characters too. But it's still unnecessary and I still can't think of any example in the first two seasons where they were so camera focused on breasts and butts as much as they are in Tri. We don't need the Tri director to be emphasizing this so much to let us know this a darker and more mature Digimon. But even if there was tons of fanservice in old school Digimon, I'm not sure why you think fanservice in old school Digimon makes objectifying women in the new Digimon any more acceptable. Whether Saban has any involvement with Tri is besides the point. The point is Toei was the one who ultimately made the decision to give into Saban's demands and cancel the figure yet they also keep putting sexualized fanservice into Digimon to begin with. So if they want Digimon to be seen as family friendly by international audiences, maybe they should stop putting so much boobs in it to begin with.
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I couldn't disagree more with this positive review. While I can get where the analysis is coming from, personally, it seemed that the producers of this film felt content at letting our collective nostalgia for the series do the work for them.

None of the character interactions felt natural or convincing. The whole "keeping secrets" is a tired and well-worn trope that kept the movie from actually progressing any further and giving the characters actual space to communicate and develop. Heck, Koushiro came up with the back-up plan because Tentomon spilled the beans! But we can't have them actually figuring out a solution together, can we? I argue that the emotions could have been better developed if both parties knew that their time together was limited. This way, we could have seen how the all of the chosen children would have dealt with the grief of parting. This lack of any emotional catharsis is further denied when we jump ahead in time and are prevented from actually seeing the grieving process.

While one can argue that "that was the point", at this point, it served to achieve nothing that we haven't already experienced before when they had to leave their partners behind in the original series. Their lack of communication felt forced and overwrought and seemed to be nothing more than a contrived way of generating tears, while at the same time delaying any plot progression.

I also found it really bizarre that Takeru didn't receive more attention. Yes, the scenes with Patamon were well handled, but they could have been developed so much more. For instance, there were absolutely zero references to Takeru's trauma from Angemon's demise. By focusing on this pair more, it would have made it a far more personal story. Was it assumed knowledge? Perhaps. But to me, it was indicative of how this movie was just trying to ride the coattails of the original instead of being its own thing.

If not for the nostalgia, can you honestly say that the movies have done anything to make you care for these characters? They are all completely unsympathetic.

Thank goodness there wasn't any cop-out with them getting back their memories at the end of the movie. At least all that emotional buildup wasn't a complete waste. They're obviously going to get them back eventually (because they need to bait people to watch the movie by shoehorning in more Ultimate Evolutions), but at least we're left wondering for now. I really pray that we get to see the consequences of this before they get their memories back though. Like how they re-develop their bonds to prove their innate friendship.

Speaking of contrived, the complete lack of care and concern that they're showing for the 02 children is disconcerting to say the least and it appears to be nothing more than a thinly veiled attempt at artificially dragging out the mystery even further. Were any questions that were raised in the previous movie answered? More time should be devoted to at least developing or moving the mystery so that we as the viewer can remain invested in it and feel NOT ignorant of the situation. What's the point to any of this? I am not asking for everything to be revealed immediately, but the lack of any answers or movement during this particular movie was frustrating to say the least. If any other movie series did this, it would have been destroyed for its poor pacing, for keeping audiences in the dark for so long and for the lack of plot development.

Also, don't get me started on the battle scenes and the disregard for the pre-established mechanics and logic. There was no proper build-up for the reveal of the Ultimate evolution for Tentomon. I get that they were trying to be "poignant" and "emotional", but man was that underwhelming. HeracleKabuterimon did not get any kick-ass fight sequences or even launch any attacks. What a horrendous shame. This was worsened by the fact that they still felt the need to show off every single evolution sequence instead of letting them warp evolve to their Ultimate forms.

What was with that WarGreymon? Seriously? How is that possible without Taichi's input? Can they be any more blatant about this entire project being nothing more than nostalgia-bait with the sudden appearance of WarGreymon for absolutely no reason other than to artificially raise the stakes? Urgh.

Take some time to have a look back at some scenes from the original. Nothing, and I mean NOTHING from these movies have evoked the same level of emotional response that these scenes have. They are beautiful in their construction and flawless in their execution.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rHSmq-K7V0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m71HJZKdqzs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChTGKYkivfA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCuBj8ozC4U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiTsilPMraE

That's not to say I want everything to be the same. Far from it. When I feel the original does something better, I think it's more than fair to point that out. For instance, let's take a look at the evolution scenes. The original made each higher-level evolution scene more bombastic than the last to emphasize the excitement and growth in power with a visual spectacle to match. With tri., all we have is the same white background with the same golden rings. That's boring. Do I want them to have the same evolution scenes as the original? Heck no. I want them to make each higher-level evolution scene more bombastic than the last in whatever new way they can!

In fact, this movie's plot with the Virus, Royal Knights and Reboot is the X-Evolution movie, Tamers movie, end of Savers and Cyber Sleuth all over again!

Before I end off, a couple of plot holes/questions:

- Didn't they see Hikari get taken over by the Digital World God before? Why is this new to them? What?

- That random digital gate and no questions of where that D-3 and D-Terminal came from. Was that Kens? They can open digital gates now? That's convenient.
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CCTakato



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I disagree completely that the Digimon keeping secrets felt worn out or unnatural. If anything, it was the completely natural reaction that the Digimon, being child-like in their personalities, would want to avoid hurting their partners by keeping this secret from them. It highlighted the Digimon's own sense of agency apart from their partners that they understood the situation was so dire they had to act on their own for the sake of saving not just the Digital World but the entire universe. If they didn't do this, other fans would complain about a lack of development and screen time for the Digimon. Maybe this is a well worn trope for other anime, but to the best of my knowledge, we haven't seen this happen in the Digimon Adventure canon yet so it is adds for a new development for Digimon especially after years of fans complaining the Chosen Children are nothing more than cheerleaders for the Digimon. Anyway, what is well worn is people overusing the word trope as a negative insult to describe any universal storytelling theme someone doesn't like when the word trope doesn't necessarily mean that a storytelling theme is either bad or good, but for some reason, everyone in pop culture analsysis now automatically assumes trope = bad.

The issues you raise about the fight scenes are less the fault of the storytelling and more the fault of modern Toei's inconsistent animation budget issues. Sure, I would have liked a flashier more detail fight scene myself. But comparing Digimon to other modern Toei titles like Sailor Moon Crystal and Dragon Ball Super, Digimon looks a lot better than we could have gotten if this was done as a TV series instead like everyone wanted it to be and it certainly looks a lot better than most other modern Toei shows. Aside from maybe Wizardmon's scene, all the other scenes you pointed to as "flawless" have the same issues you claim Tri does. There was zero reason for spoiler[Patamon to revert back to egg form after defeating Devimon given this never happened to the other Digimon when they evolved to adult form. It served no narrative purpose and there was never any explanation for it other than as an excuse for the writers to keep hyping Angemon's popularity up to sell toys.] Wargreymon's fight with BlackWarGreymon was one of the most inconsistent storylines in all of 02 to the point the writers completely forgot the Destiny Stones even existed after building up all this suspense about them so I would hardly call that fight "flawless" in execution. In regards to Machinedramon's fight, it certainly was a cool fight scene but not anymore so than any other Digimon fight. I think you're looking back at the franchise with nostalgia goggles. As much as I enjoy Digimon, it's always had cheap animation because Digimon is a toy commercial kid's show. It's not like Studio Ghibli level quality here and I don't think most fans expect it to be.
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