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Gemnist



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His name is Itsuki, not Izumi.
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I'm pretty sure cringe this concentrated is outlawed in the Geneva Convention.
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Man, this really reminds me how crazy different and kind of awkward those mid-2000s moe character designs were. jeez. It's hard to imagine people finding them cute. I love moe, but the mid 2000s had some really weird interpretations of it.
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Oh gosh, I remember at one con there was a HHY contest and the two people who did it the best got to dance at the opening ceremony of the con (with people cosplaying as Haruhi and co.) . I entered with a friend, and I was one of the two chosen (and felt like a huge jerk because the friend I went with REALLY wanted to win, and I entered for the hell of it).
In hindsight, I really regreted doing it, and legit coudnt listen to that song for years because of it. xD

Now that I think about it, is there even a dance that is popular at anime conventions now? The last time I really paid attention to that kind of thing is when either the Lucky Star dance or the Caramelldansen one was the rage at cons.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 8:06 pm Reply with quote
These people aren't bad dancers, in reality, the dance itself is bland .
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 9:07 pm Reply with quote
This brings back memories. Haruhi Suzumiya was such a huge show back in the day, it just goes to show how you can be trending one minute, and out of sight the next. It was a good show though.

relyat08 wrote:
Man, this really reminds me how crazy different and kind of awkward those mid-2000s moe character designs were. jeez. It's hard to imagine people finding them cute. I love moe, but the mid 2000s had some really weird interpretations of it.


Haruhi Suzumiya was a bit more proto-moe than straight up moe. Anatomically the characters actually look more their age (instead of like kids), and they're not all eternally blushing like you see a lot these days. I don't think the modern moe style really got locked down until K-On hit the scene.

And the art style for Haruhi Suzumiya was actually fine imo. It probably just doesn't look quite as good in the original dance video because they were likely rotoscoping the animation, and I'm guessing the more realistic proportions and movement that they used didn't quite work so great with the art style. If you look at other art for the series from the time period though, most of it still looks good.
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Freyanne wrote:
The last time I really paid attention to that kind of thing is when either the Lucky Star dance or the Caramelldansen one was the rage at cons.


Without fail, a certain group in a con in my city brings a speaker out and blasts Caramelldansen in the main hall at least once every year (usually with passersby joining in). But that might just be something peculiar to that con (it's a mid-sized con, and the crowd that attends it still finds "The Game" funny Rolling Eyes ).
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 9:57 pm Reply with quote
Kikaioh wrote:

And the art style for Haruhi Suzumiya was actually fine imo. It probably just doesn't look quite as good in the original dance video because they were likely rotoscoping the animation, and I'm guessing the more realistic proportions and movement that they used didn't quite work so great with the art style. If you look at other art for the series from the time period though, most of it still looks good.


Yeah, I think that's where I went wrong. The rotoscoping is definitely what makes it look a little off for me. I watched a little from the series, and otherwise the designs do look just fine. I remembered actually liking them when I first saw it, which is why I was surprised by the ED dance video.
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relyat08 wrote:
Man, this really reminds me how crazy different and kind of awkward those mid-2000s moe character designs were. jeez. It's hard to imagine people finding them cute. I love moe, but the mid 2000s had some really weird interpretations of it.


As opposed to today's moe which literally look like 8 year olds? I'm not sure I appreciate the evolution though I'm not sure what is worse. I certainly feel less disgusting with the former, though.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2016 2:13 am Reply with quote
Kikaioh wrote:
Haruhi Suzumiya was a bit more proto-moe than straight up moe. Anatomically the characters actually look more their age (instead of like kids), and they're not all eternally blushing like you see a lot these days. I don't think the modern moe style really got locked down until K-On hit the scene.


Dude, moe existed since the 1990s (or maybe even earlier than that). Just because the character designs weren't "cute" comparatively or by Western standards, people were embracing moe since then. Moe is a shift in how one consumes and enjoys anime, from narrative-focused to character-focused. It doesn't have to do with a specific type of artstyle per se but more to do with specific moe-elements that can be anything from "blue hair" to "glases" to "maid outfits".

Also, here's an interesting image showing off K-On! characters using the different artstyles that characterized the decades.

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Actar wrote:
Kikaioh wrote:
Haruhi Suzumiya was a bit more proto-moe than straight up moe. Anatomically the characters actually look more their age (instead of like kids), and they're not all eternally blushing like you see a lot these days. I don't think the modern moe style really got locked down until K-On hit the scene.


Dude, moe existed since the 1990s (or maybe even earlier than that). Just because the character designs weren't "cute" comparatively or by Western standards, people were embracing moe since then. Moe is a shift in how one consumes and enjoys anime, from narrative-focused to character-focused. It doesn't have to do with a specific type of artstyle per se but more to do with specific moe-elements that can be anything from "blue hair" to "glases" to "maid outfits".

Also, here's an interesting image showing off K-On! characters using the different artstyles that characterized the decades.


60s: Looks pretty nice.
70s: Also looks pretty nice.
80s: ...Did they just edit in a screenshot from another point in the show because I swear I've seen Mio make that exact kind of face in K-On whenever she saw something she just could not handle.
90s: Well. That's gonna haunt my nightmares for years to come.
20s: Is a show from 2008 really the best choice to represent the general trend in from 2001-2010? I mean, yeah, it might also seem a bit weird to pin it to this decade, but at the same time, I feel like the influence from K-On's character designs still hasn't really gone away.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2016 5:42 am Reply with quote
Actar wrote:
Kikaioh wrote:
Haruhi Suzumiya was a bit more proto-moe than straight up moe. Anatomically the characters actually look more their age (instead of like kids), and they're not all eternally blushing like you see a lot these days. I don't think the modern moe style really got locked down until K-On hit the scene.


Dude, moe existed since the 1990s (or maybe even earlier than that). Just because the character designs weren't "cute" comparatively or by Western standards, people were embracing moe since then. Moe is a shift in how one consumes and enjoys anime, from narrative-focused to character-focused. It doesn't have to do with a specific type of artstyle per se but more to do with specific moe-elements that can be anything from "blue hair" to "glases" to "maid outfits".

Also, here's an interesting image showing off K-On! characters using the different artstyles that characterized the decades.


60's - Classy, aesthetically pleasing.
70's - Once again, classy, very pleasing on the eyes.
80's - A little more stylized, perhaps a little rough around the edges but a classic look.
90's - HOLY SHIT WTF HAPPENED HERE??!!! KILL IT WITH FIRE!!!
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Ah, 2006. The golden age of anime otakudom and internet memes. Sure miss those days.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2016 8:02 am Reply with quote
Actar wrote:
Dude, moe existed since the 1990s (or maybe even earlier than that). Just because the character designs weren't "cute" comparatively or by Western standards, people were embracing moe since then. Moe is a shift in how one consumes and enjoys anime, from narrative-focused to character-focused. It doesn't have to do with a specific type of artstyle per se but more to do with specific moe-elements that can be anything from "blue hair" to "glases" to "maid outfits".

Also, here's an interesting image showing off K-On! characters using the different artstyles that characterized the decades.


I've had this conversation on the forums before, probably even with you if I'm not mistaken, so I'm not going to delve too much into discussing this. The etymology, definition and usage of the word "moe" is debatable and I think contextual too, though from my vantage point, while it may have existed in clips and phrases during the 90's (proto-moe), it didn't become an identifiable driving cultural/industrial force until the latter half of the aughts. I was fairly active in the anime scene during the 90's, and hadn't heard about "moe" until the mid-aughts. While you can certainly try to take a broad definition of "moe" and retroactively apply it to previous decades, that would probably be too broad of a definition and could technically apply to any entertainment medium at any time period, which makes the discussion a bit groundless when trying to say whether moe as we know it today was a thing in the 90's (which it really wasn't). IIRC some staff/reviewers here on ANN have discussed the topic along similar lines, so it's not like I'm the only person to view it this way.

Also, I've seen that image before, and I don't think it's very representative of the artstyles in the respective eras. The 90's image in particular isn't a fully accurate portrayal of the artstyle from Saber Marionette J (which is where it seems to have been lifted from), but rather, I think instead captures the particular art-style of the artist who originally rendered the facial expression (I think Tsukasa Kotobuki, who wasn't that prolific during the 90's). There was actually a pretty broad variety in the sort of art styles that were used during the 90's, though I'm inclined to say the style seen in shows like Captain Tylor and Slayers were more broadly representative in comparison.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2016 8:42 am Reply with quote
Freyanne wrote:
Now that I think about it, is there even a dance that is popular at anime conventions now?

I don't attend conventions so I can't answer that, but the Enoshima dance from Tsuritama had a brief spurt of popularity when the show aired back in 2012.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wy7bNOupeH4

Here's an example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bh_YtddugY4
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