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NEWS: Prosecutors Seek 3.5-Year Sentence for Russian Pokémon Go Blogger




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Yuvelir



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 11:12 am Reply with quote
Maybe we should drop the Spanish Inquisition for the Russian Inquisition.
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3.5 years!?!? are you kidding me!?!? That's a harsh punishment. No need to pry om their religious customs..but...why!?!? It was a harmless thing, the kid just wanted to have fun. I feel bad for him. Sad
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 1:49 pm Reply with quote
Sigh, religion. This whole reaction reminds me of when crazy Christian groups thought Pokémon was the work of the devil back in the 90s.
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kiminobokuwa wrote:
3.5 years!?!? are you kidding me!?!? That's a harsh punishment. No need to pry om their religious customs..but...why!?!? It was a harmless thing, the kid just wanted to have fun. I feel bad for him. Sad


Supposedly it was mainly for his atheist comments about not being able to catch the most elusive of Pokemon--Jesus--but I believe this is also the same law used to silence the Pussy Riot protests under the guise of attacking the church while actually inside one or something.
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kiminobokuwa wrote:
3.5 years!?!? are you kidding me!?!? That's a harsh punishment. No need to pry om their religious customs..but...why!?!? It was a harmless thing, the kid just wanted to have fun. I feel bad for him. Sad


You haven't seen the video of Pakistani students beating a classmate to death for 'Blasphemy' then?

Remember if your not in a developed western nation you are not safe to say or do anything.
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R315r4z0r



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 7:58 pm Reply with quote
Granted, I didn't see his vlog, so I can't comment on his actions. I still want to say this:

This law is hypocritical. It states the "liberty of faith" but then punishes someone for expressing theirs.

Now, again, I haven't seen his vlog. I don't know if he was being disruptive to other people or if he was just staying mostly to himself.

The article doesn't really give you much detail.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 3:01 am Reply with quote
Even if he was disturbing people's in their prayers...the highest punishment he should get is a financial penalty. Going to jail for something like this is over the top.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 4:59 am Reply with quote
Is this the Russian equivalent of hate speech laws? You really have to wonder why they are so afraid of people saying something. Sticks and stones, sticks and stones.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:43 am Reply with quote
Yuvelir wrote:
Maybe we should drop the Spanish Inquisition for the Russian Inquisition.

I think we had that during the shift of Russia becoming a communist nation in the lat 1910s.
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Mr. Oshawott



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 11:32 am Reply with quote
Regardless of his motives for playing Pokémon GO in church, 3.5 years in prison is simply too harsh of a punishment.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 12:24 pm Reply with quote
Do not understand why everyone is surprised. This is Russia. You know, the former Soviet Union. Even with that, Russia is probably pretty tame when compared to some Islamic nations.
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Maybe I can clear things out a bit, as I've been his subscriber and followed the case from the very beginning.

One of our most popular federal TV channels made a statement that playing Pokemon GO in church may cause penalty. Sokolovsky wanted to prove that it's just a hoax as there are no laws forbidding playing a videogame in church. So he did that. He didn't interrupt any prayers, no one noticed him playing at all. He just walked in, filmed himself playing Pokemon GO and left.

But he had had a conflict with one local moronic newspaper and used to mock them in his videos. So they complained about that video where he catches Pokemons and thereafter jokes about their precious Jesus and uses montaged choral song with profanities which simulates religious songs. Song just says something like "what a [expletive] beauty".

Then TV channels catched the case and made slander reports about the video blaming blogger in actual SINGING this in the church, which is beyond ridiculous as the song is a local Russian meme and it's obvious that he added it with montage afterwards. And yeah, they pointed that joke about Jesus being Pokemon is offencive as well as that the church was (actually NOT) the place where that precious tsar was murdered. That caused resonance so this stupid case was lead by an entire team of investigators. As if there's nothing else for them to do.

But the case is not that simple, actually. In his other videos Sokolovsky used to shit on politicians and popes (including patriarch) using profanities. So formally they had a reason to claim his guilt.

The problem is, that controversal law about the religious feelings is an utter mess. One of many rubber laws we tend to get. It doesn't have clear borders so you can use it to claim a person guilty for almost anything as long as you want. Ntm, they judge him by several articles which duplicate each other. It's as stupid as it sounds.

Sure deal, punishment they long for is absurdly harsh. But it's not an exceptional case. Our government is now really toxic and oppressive. And orthodox church gets closer and closer to the authority. It's not only about impudent feeding from the budget (formally Russia is still a secular state, btw). For example, our "orthodox activists" can freely do all sorts of illegal shit like crushing art galleries they find "offencive" for some ridiculus reasons. We have a history of cases I myself consider extremism or, at least, vandalism. And they all remain overlooked. Unlike any complains from the orthodox believers.

And, well, this case with Sokolovsky is just a drop in a long stream of absurd. People here get to jail for questionably "offensive" posts and even reposts via social networks.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 8:13 pm Reply with quote
kiminobokuwa wrote:
3.5 years!?!? are you kidding me!?!? That's a harsh punishment. No need to pry om their religious customs..but...why!?!? It was a harmless thing, the kid just wanted to have fun. I feel bad for him. Sad


Though 3.5 years is quite harsh, there were better places for him to be playing than in a church, during service. Personally, I think he should've been booted out of the church if they didn't want him playing, but I know it's more complicated than that, considering this guy has a history of provocative, satirical videos critical of his country and its culture.

belvadeer wrote:
Sigh, religion. This whole reaction reminds me of when crazy Christian groups thought Pokémon was the work of the devil back in the 90s.


Some still do. And they'll blame whatever is the most popular thing among kids. Of course, that being said, the reason why these ideas catch on is because it provides devout, church-going parents with excuses to make sure their kids are as into church as they are.

0nsen wrote:
Is this the Russian equivalent of hate speech laws? You really have to wonder why they are so afraid of people saying something. Sticks and stones, sticks and stones.


Yeah, China's doing a much more efficient job at keeping the people pacified, quiet, and obedient by outright preventing subversive ideas from entering the country and silencing any that bubble up on their own. Russia doesn't seem to do that, so the KGB stays quite busy.

DividedKane wrote:
Maybe I can clear things out a bit, as I've been his subscriber and followed the case from the very beginning.

One of our most popular federal TV channels made a statement that playing Pokemon GO in church may cause penalty. Sokolovsky wanted to prove that it's just a hoax as there are no laws forbidding playing a videogame in church. So he did that. He didn't interrupt any prayers, no one noticed him playing at all. He just walked in, filmed himself playing Pokemon GO and left.

But he had had a conflict with one local moronic newspaper and used to mock them in his videos. So they complained about that video where he catches Pokemons and thereafter jokes about their precious Jesus and uses montaged choral song with profanities which simulates religious songs. Song just says something like "what a [expletive] beauty".

Then TV channels catched the case and made slander reports about the video blaming blogger in actual SINGING this in the church, which is beyond ridiculous as the song is a local Russian meme and it's obvious that he added it with montage afterwards. And yeah, they pointed that joke about Jesus being Pokemon is offencive as well as that the church was (actually NOT) the place where that precious tsar was murdered. That caused resonance so this stupid case was lead by an entire team of investigators. As if there's nothing else for them to do.

But the case is not that simple, actually. In his other videos Sokolovsky used to shit on politicians and popes (including patriarch) using profanities. So formally they had a reason to claim his guilt.

The problem is, that controversal law about the religious feelings is an utter mess. One of many rubber laws we tend to get. It doesn't have clear borders so you can use it to claim a person guilty for almost anything as long as you want. Ntm, they judge him by several articles which duplicate each other. It's as stupid as it sounds.

Sure deal, punishment they long for is absurdly harsh. But it's not an exceptional case. Our government is now really toxic and oppressive. And orthodox church gets closer and closer to the authority. It's not only about impudent feeding from the budget (formally Russia is still a secular state, btw). For example, our "orthodox activists" can freely do all sorts of illegal shit like crushing art galleries they find "offencive" for some ridiculus reasons. We have a history of cases I myself consider extremism or, at least, vandalism. And they all remain overlooked. Unlike any complains from the orthodox believers.

And, well, this case with Sokolovsky is just a drop in a long stream of absurd. People here get to jail for questionably "offensive" posts and even reposts via social networks.


Thanks for your perspective on this; it's quite informative and helpful, though somehow, I feel that we don't yet know the complete picture. The only people who would are Sokolovsky and the authorities who arrested him. What you have to go by are his videos and his word, and anything not covered by that is something that's totally up in the air.

And as much as I like to support rebels against authoritarian regimes, I personally don't think directly violating a law because one is convinced it doesn't exist is the best way to go about it. I mean, in the city in the United States where I live, you are not allowed to use canned string on Halloween, but I'm not going to try it and make a video of it. (There's good reasons behind that though, but it's beyond the scope of this article.)
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 10:41 pm Reply with quote
@DividedKane: Thank you for providing us with some further insight into this. This whole reaction is just crazy.

leafy sea dragon wrote:
Some still do. And they'll blame whatever is the most popular thing among kids. Of course, that being said, the reason why these ideas catch on is because it provides devout, church-going parents with excuses to make sure their kids are as into church as they are.


Well I know there are those extreme Christian nutjob parents who are easily triggered over such things. I am aware those types indeed still exist. It's really quite pathetic.
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