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mgosdin



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In the mid1960's, when my parents decided that they wanted a new house, we at first looked at a house that belonged to one of the USAF Officers that my mom worked for. We new it was going to be interesting when they opened the front door and it slid into the wall. The house looked like what you see in Anime at times, a mix of what I now know were Western & Eastern styles.

I wonder what it would have been like to live in that house.

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Actually, I seem to remember Honoka Yukishiro's room from Futari wa Pretty Cure having sliding doors, tatami mats and a Western-style bed. I believe there was a rug under the bed to keep it from juxtaposing with the Japanese elements too closely.
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I've seen some houses that mix Western and Japanese styles in different rooms, but those are pretty rare.


Strongly disagree. It's extremely common to have one (maybe more) tatami room / 和室 in an otherwise Western styled house with 洋室. Those are not rare at all. In fact, every one of my relatives and friends who lives in a detached house in Japan (mostly in Yokohama) has one. Sure, they're pretty rare in apartments, if that's what you're familiar with. (I do think most people sleep in Western-style bedrooms, though, outside of guesthouses and onsen ryokan and such.)

Here's a cite and here's another, the latter mentioning that when they went house hunting "[e]very model home I visited in three different plazas (about 20, if I recall correctly) had a washitsu in it."
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 1:26 pm Reply with quote
John Thacker wrote:
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I've seen some houses that mix Western and Japanese styles in different rooms, but those are pretty rare.


Strongly disagree. It's extremely common to have one (maybe more) tatami room / 和室 in an otherwise Western styled house with 洋室. Those are not rare at all. In fact, every one of my relatives and friends who lives in a detached house in Japan (mostly in Yokohama) has one. Sure, they're pretty rare in apartments, if that's what you're familiar with. (I do think most people sleep in Western-style bedrooms, though, outside of guesthouses and onsen ryokan and such.)

Thanks for that. Yes, my knowledge came almost entirely from apartment living. I'll update the article.
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supercalafragilisticjoy



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These days most newer homes are Western style, and aside from small touches (like outward-opening doors and a low entrance for removing shoes), they're really not very different from a contemporary house you'd see in Europe or America.


I would have to disagree that they're not very different. Well, not very different - but still more than a few small touches. Don't forget the sliding doors, the metal sinks and plastic bathrooms - not to mention the separate toilet and shower rooms and lack of central hearing outside of hokkaido to name a few more things (And the super white walls that nothing sticks to) It's certainly more western than the past and perhaps not what you'd picture if you haven't seen any recent Japanese homes, but I would still hesitate to say that it's so close to western homes.

I know I just wrote a paragraph disagreeing with the statement - but I agree with everything else Anime hyper
I think bed choice also depends on room size as well. My friend had a pretty western house in Hokkaido with her parents (Yay central heating!) but she had such a small room that it just didn't make sense to have a bed in there.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 4:27 pm Reply with quote
I rent an older house in Tokyo, and half the rooms are tatami, while the other half is western. My bedroom is full tatami and I sleep on a futon, though I'm pretty lazy about folding it up every night. (Among my friends who sleep on futons, only the ones who live in small apartments are really good about putting them away since they need the space!) The guest room actually has bunk beds (formerly a kids room), but even then there are no mattresses, so futon are placed on the frames.

In my experience, more new apartments are going western style and people have beds, but honestly I prefer futons in Japan. It's much easier for space considerations, and in my case, it's easy to invite guests to stay over when you can literally pull out more "beds" from the closet!
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MajinAkuma



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 2:42 pm Reply with quote
Superfield wrote:
Actually, I seem to remember Honoka Yukishiro's room from Futari wa Pretty Cure having sliding doors, tatami mats and a Western-style bed. I believe there was a rug under the bed to keep it from juxtaposing with the Japanese elements too closely.

Yeah, I remember that episode where Honoka and Nagisa were sleeping on that bed.

Honoka rarely wears traditional outfits and, IIRC her parents are abroad for almost the entire year, so I can understand that their house would have some western elements.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 2:53 pm Reply with quote
supercalafragilisticjoy wrote:
I would have to disagree that they're not very different. Well, not very different - but still more than a few small touches. Don't forget the sliding doors, the metal sinks and plastic bathrooms - not to mention the separate toilet and shower rooms and lack of central hearing outside of hokkaido to name a few more things (And the super white walls that nothing sticks to) It's certainly more western than the past and perhaps not what you'd picture if you haven't seen any recent Japanese homes, but I would still hesitate to say that it's so close to western homes.


That's a lot of small details IMHO. They're super noticeable mind you, but none of them make a very big difference practically. Interestingly, the two most significant differences you pointed out are actually not so much a difference between Japan and the West, but more a difference between Japan and parts of the west. I'm betting you're from the Northern USA or Canada. In the south, houses don't have central heating, and in Europe (also part of the "West") washrooms and toilets are in fact separate rooms (although unlike in Japan, the washroom and bathroom are usually 1 room, and only the toilet is separate).

The plastic bathrooms are, in my experience, limited to cheaper homes / hotels / apartments / condos. I'm condo shopping in Tokyo right now, and most of the places I look at don't have the plastic bathroom (and I'll turn them down if they do). I adore the higher end modern Japanese bathrooms, especially the 4-function fan.

Regarding the big Tatami issue, I'd like to point out that there are also apartments / condos that are mixed. Lots of mid-range up apartments (1DK or larger) have Western style living/dining rooms and Tatami Bedrooms. This seemed to be especially popular in buildings built over 15 years ago. I haven't seen it in any new or recently renovated buildings.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 4:22 pm Reply with quote
MajinAkuma wrote:
Superfield wrote:
Actually, I seem to remember Honoka Yukishiro's room from Futari wa Pretty Cure having sliding doors, tatami mats and a Western-style bed. I believe there was a rug under the bed to keep it from juxtaposing with the Japanese elements too closely.

Yeah, I remember that episode where Honoka and Nagisa were sleeping on that bed.

Honoka rarely wears traditional outfits and, IIRC her parents are abroad for almost the entire year, so I can understand that their house would have some western elements.


It's become enough of a mix now to be a standard anime joke that formal-traditional characters (like Yusuke in the Persona 5 game) insist they can only sleep on traditional futons when they're at hotels or somebody's house, even if there's just a bed in the house and it's going to be too much trouble to roll the extra mats out.
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John Thacker



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 7:10 am Reply with quote
Thanks for the update and kind words, Justin!

Tempest wrote:
That's a lot of small details IMHO. They're super noticeable mind you, but none of them make a very big difference practically. Interestingly, the two most significant differences you pointed out are actually not so much a difference between Japan and the West, but more a difference between Japan and parts of the west. I'm betting you're from the Northern USA or Canada. In the south, houses don't have central heating, and in Europe (also part of the "West") washrooms and toilets are in fact separate rooms (although unlike in Japan, the washroom and bathroom are usually 1 room, and only the toilet is separate).


Almost all homes in the US South built in the last 40 years or more do have central heating, just supplied through a heat pump, since if you're installing central air conditioning (and in the US South you are) a heat pump is essentially free since it's the same machine using the same ducts. It doesn't warm as rapidly as burning natural gas or other fuels, to be sure, but it is energy efficient. They're very common in places where it only rarely gets below freezing.

That reminds me that the lack of central air but presence of the ductless mini-split and multi-split air conditioners, one indoor unit per room, is something in Japan that would strike many people from the USA as different, but certainly there are places in the US where those are growing in popularity (New York), and they're very common in Southeast Asia and from what I understand fairly common in Europe. (Of course in Europe as well central air has traditionally been rare, for some of the same climate reasons as the Pacific Northwest.) Going back to the first point, it is also possible to do heat pumps as well through ductless mini-splits as well, and many of the places with ductless systems do just that.
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