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NEWS: Anime BitTorrent Users Reportedly Sent Notices by ISPs


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rankothefiremage



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 10:46 am Reply with quote
For some reason i think comcast is just trying to lower bandwidth usage, and they are just abusing the DMCA.
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cloud1989



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 10:52 am Reply with quote
if you read the animesuki thread it is clear that this is the work of odex, or at least the company they hired to send out letters to people. Why they are sending letters international is beyond me, I think that this is because the company hired to do the tracking mistakenly forgot to send notices to just singapore and is giving them out worldwide. Someone from japan got one to I might add.
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neko ewen



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 10:54 am Reply with quote
They've been trying to throttle the bandwidth of all bittorrent traffic, ignoring the fact that there are some commercial ventures that use it legitimately.

I'll be disappointed if I stop being able to get anime online, but it's their right, and I always knew the pool might be closed down some day.
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rankothefiremage



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 11:02 am Reply with quote
Wasn't Odex the company that used fansubber scripts in one of their "legit" releases?
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AdmiralNelson



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 11:03 am Reply with quote
I'll likely never pay to get the DVDs and there are a lot of people like me. Unless anime companies can figure out a way to get it on cable so people can watch it for free, or even free ad-supported online [which I'm amazed why they haven't done this], then piracy will continue.
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RadicaLElly



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 11:09 am Reply with quote
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Unless anime companies can figure out a way to get it on cable so people can watch it for free


So you steal cable as well as anime? =p
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SailorDeath



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 11:11 am Reply with quote
neko ewen wrote:
They've been trying to throttle the bandwidth of all bittorrent traffic, ignoring the fact that there are some commercial ventures that use it legitimately.

I'll be disappointed if I stop being able to get anime online, but it's their right, and I always knew the pool might be closed down some day.


Given how they've come recently under fire for throttling everyone's traffic regardless of what they've been downloading (legal or not) I'm thinking that this tactic is going to become more and more common.

I don't download fansubs all that much, but warcraft uses bittorrent for patch distribution and I'm really hating how it sometimes takes 8 hours to download a 200 meg patch when the connection log shows that there are over one thousand seeds online.
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Goodpenguin



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 11:23 am Reply with quote
AdmiralNelson wrote:

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...or even free ad-supported online [which I'm amazed why they haven't done this]...



Because advertisers are going to rush in to reach a primarily young teen audience with limited income, who are notably often too cheap to spend even 20 odd bucks for a DVD of the anime show they like. I'm sure companies will have to fend off advertisers with a stick with how attractive that market sounds.
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rankothefiremage



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 11:33 am Reply with quote
I need to submit photos of my collection to prove that i'm not just some black hearted fansub watcher.
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naruto fan 09812



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 11:42 am Reply with quote
rankothefiremage wrote:
I need to submit photos of my collection to prove that i'm not just some black hearted fansub watcher.


Yikes,that comment make it's sound like that you think fansub watchers are the devil. I am a fansub watcher myself. But I pay for DVDs and boxsets to support the anime industry. So,next time please don't make such a blanket statement.
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kokuryu



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 11:50 am Reply with quote
And thus it begins...

Let's see how this all plays out over the next few weeks...
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Tyrenol



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 11:53 am Reply with quote
Bottom line: The pimps want their money.

First Odex, now Comcast. Optimus Prime died for what reason again? -_-;
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.hacker



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 11:58 am Reply with quote
With the list of unlicensed anime series in the article, I wonder if this in an indication of licensing of those series?
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calawain



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 11:59 am Reply with quote
rankothefiremage wrote:
Wasn't Odex the company that used fansubber scripts in one of their "legit" releases?


Yes.

So are we now allowed to post links to notorious fansubbing sites now that an ANN news pieces has a link to such a site? O_o

Also, this is pretty funny, there is approximately a zero percent chance Odex could actually successfully pursue an international claim, at least here in the United States. It's merely a scare tactic to try and get people to buy their terrible quality releases. Just because your ISP sends you such a letter doesn't mean that Odex knows your name and address, it's insanely easy to sit there and pull IP addresses off of BitTorrent and send off letters to their ISPs. Color me surprised if Odex can convince a US judge to order Comcast or any other ISP to release the personal information that goes with these IP addresses. I don't see it happening, but I guess we can look forward to another 20 page debate here.

Edit: And in addition, since there has been no announcement that Odex has licensed these series, without a statement that Odex is acting on behalf of the Japanese license holders their DMCA requests are extremely illegal. You can't act on a legal behalf of someone else without their permission.
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aisasami



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 12:06 pm Reply with quote
I/my dad got the same notice from Comcast this weekend but it wasn't anime but for a kid's movie (Casper). My friend said it was the companies who the movies, anime, TV Shows, and etc who are hiring other companies to look at illegal downloading but is it Comcast who is doing it?
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