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REVIEW: Casshern (live action) DVD


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Brand



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:18 am Reply with quote
I pretty much agree with this review. It was a pretty movie, but it was also pretty damn boring. Just WTF was going on during most of it. The trailer made it look like some bad ass action movie but really there is no action and much nonsense. Better live action movies could have been brought over instead.

I find that a lot of Dreamworks releases of foreign movies lacking. None of the ones I have any extras. The anime titles they have released have no dubs. You would think a fairly large company like them could shell out for a dub.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:35 am Reply with quote
Isn't the US DVD (the one you're reviewing) a completely butchered version of the original?

I read that Dreamworks totally cut up the US version, missing almost 30 minutes of footage and is edited like crap.

I know that despite the US version apparently being labeled as a "Director's Cut", the Director himself seemingly wants nothing to do with the US version.
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KamenRiderFaiz555



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 1:56 am Reply with quote
Afax wrote:
Isn't the US DVD (the one you're reviewing) a completely butchered version of the original?

I read that Dreamworks totally cut up the US version, missing almost 30 minutes of footage and is edited like crap.

I know that despite the US version apparently being labeled as a "Director's Cut", the Director himself seemingly wants nothing to do with the US version.


You are correct. As much as I want more Tokusatsu to come to the US, I can't support such a hacked DVD. I mean, I bought the Ultraman DVDs, Kamen Rider The First, and Cutie Honey because I wanted to support Toku. And they're very good movies. But unfortunately I can't bring my self to buy that.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 2:14 am Reply with quote
Afax wrote:
Isn't the US DVD (the one you're reviewing) a completely butchered version of the original?

I read that Dreamworks totally cut up the US version, missing almost 30 minutes of footage and is edited like crap.

I know that despite the US version apparently being labeled as a "Director's Cut", the Director himself seemingly wants nothing to do with the US version.


I don't think I've ever heard anyone say anything positive about this film anyway, even when only the Japanese cut was available.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 2:31 am Reply with quote
KamenRiderFaiz555 wrote:
Afax wrote:
Isn't the US DVD (the one you're reviewing) a completely butchered version of the original?

I read that Dreamworks totally cut up the US version, missing almost 30 minutes of footage and is edited like crap.

I know that despite the US version apparently being labeled as a "Director's Cut", the Director himself seemingly wants nothing to do with the US version.


You are correct. As much as I want more Tokusatsu to come to the US, I can't support such a hacked DVD. I mean, I bought the Ultraman DVDs, Kamen Rider The First, and Cutie Honey because I wanted to support Toku. And they're very good movies. But unfortunately I can't bring my self to buy that.


Well, yeah, things are going to seem bad compared the Masked Rider the First. Toku films have nowhere to go but down from that epic. Except Masked Rider the Next, if only for the "Chainsaw Lizard" name. Maybe Drake V3.
This doesn't change the fact that Casshern was a terrible, terrible movie, nor was it even slightly related. I just like typing "Chainsaw lizard."


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Afax



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 2:33 am Reply with quote
Zac wrote:
Afax wrote:
Isn't the US DVD (the one you're reviewing) a completely butchered version of the original?

I read that Dreamworks totally cut up the US version, missing almost 30 minutes of footage and is edited like crap.

I know that despite the US version apparently being labeled as a "Director's Cut", the Director himself seemingly wants nothing to do with the US version.


I don't think I've ever heard anyone say anything positive about this film anyway, even when only the Japanese cut was available.

It's not exactly a great movie or anything, but the original cut I saw (granted quite a few years ago now) was hardly as bad as the one Carl is describing in his review. It's a C movie at worst.
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T0FFe3m@n



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 5:41 am Reply with quote
Review and subsequent score is pretty harsh imo. I though it was a gorgeous film and a brilliant anime adaptation, probably the best infact.

EDIT: If this is the edited American version that you've reviewed then I can't really comment on the cuts. The copy that I have is the original and full Japanese edit.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 5:43 am Reply with quote
[quote="HyperGatack"][quote="KamenRiderFaiz555"]
Afax wrote:

Well, yeah, things are going to seem bad compared the Masked Rider the First. Toku films have nowhere to go but down from that epic. Except Masked Rider the Next, if only for the "Chainsaw Lizard" name. Maybe Drake V3.
This doesn't change the fact that Casshern was a terrible, terrible movie, nor was it even slightly related. I just like typing "Chainsaw lizard."


Well, I DO like the Japanese cut. I've never actually SEEN the US version, but knowing it's cut, I don't really WANT to see the US version.

And yes. Chainsaw Lizard is the greatest name. Ever.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 9:29 am Reply with quote
I have the UK release, OK it's not the best, but it's not that bad either. Yes of course it's style over substance, but what style! Distilled dystopia with essence of epilepsy. I saw it years ago and still can't get the battle scenes out of my head.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 1:14 pm Reply with quote
Zac wrote:

I don't think I've ever heard anyone say anything positive about this film anyway, even when only the Japanese cut was available.


Yeah, it wasn't the runner up, after Devilman, for the 2004 Japanese Razzies for nothing. It's a terrible, but utterly gorgeous, movie that pretends to be deep but really doesn't say more than war=bad/life=good, in exactly that manner. It's pretty much the text book case of utter pretentiousness.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 3:29 pm Reply with quote
silentjay wrote:
Zac wrote:

I don't think I've ever heard anyone say anything positive about this film anyway, even when only the Japanese cut was available.


Yeah, it wasn't the runner up, after Devilman, for the 2004 Japanese Razzies for nothing. It's a terrible, but utterly gorgeous, movie that pretends to be deep but really doesn't say more than war=bad/life=good, in exactly that manner. It's pretty much the text book case of utter pretentiousness.


Glad to hear I wasn't the only one that didn't like Casshern.

Wow, I hadn't heard of the Kiichigo Awards before. I have to agree that both Devilman and Casshern were bad. (I couldn't even finish Casshern it was so boring, and that was the Japanese cut.) Both Devilman and Casshern had lame scripts centered on what the kids call "emo" characters and preachy ham-fisted anti war/racism messages. I had erroneously thought that perhaps this is what Japanese audiences want these days, but the Kiichigo awards seem to say otherwise.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 5:41 pm Reply with quote
I love it when lack of ability to comprehend gives a reviewer good enough of an excuse to start bashing things cause of his underwhelming ANN paycheck.

This is a C-movie, more more, no less. It was a movie crafted from a genre that never existed, for an audience that no longer exists. The messages in it are way too mashed up, fried, stirred, then thrown into a hotpot for the viewer to pluck out and attempt to comprehend.

Besides, despite the bad karma, this was THE first movie to have been shot entirely with a blue screen (the second being Sky Captain). So, at least give the guy some credit for trying something new.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 6:07 pm Reply with quote
Walker-san wrote:
I love it when lack of ability to comprehend gives a reviewer good enough of an excuse to start bashing things cause of his underwhelming ANN paycheck.


This kind of personal attack is completely and totally inappropriate. Your tone is frequently bizarrely vitriolic and mean-spirited. You have absolutely no reason to talk to people like this , and if you keep it up, you'll find that you no longer have the option of continuing to spread your particular brand of nastiness around this community.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 11:27 pm Reply with quote
I wholeheartedly disagree with the review. I liked Casshern, and I liked it a lot, from beginning to end. I found the story simple, plot satisfyingly twisty, and the development/explication refreshingly subtle. The clues to what was going on were often subtle, as opposed to what you get in a Hollywood movie -- hammered-in explication that an eight-year-old can follow. That's not to say Casshern is a subtle movie, far from it. The visuals are way over the top, flooded with color, style, and extreme changes in style/technology. The movie remains on the edge of break-down throughout, just like Casshern, ready to blow apart at the seams, but I found this kept me captivated as much as the story and the action. I like manga and anime for the way they tell a story. EVERY story has "holes" in it, from the Bible to Bible Black. The way Casshern was presented celebrated the exuberance that can be found in manga and anime. I enjoyed it that Casshern was not done like, say, Tansformers -- a straight-ahead, no-brainer thrill ride. In addition to using any and every means to hand to tell the story, Kazuaki Kiriya did a more admirable job than many to bring into his movie threads of racism, intolerance, healing love and love that destroys, and the flaws in human vision.

I feel the reviewer was more interested in the sound of his own rhetoric than in presenting a balanced review. The reviewer's vitriol and language -- "viagrafied rabbits," "lobotomized test monkey on speed," and "stylistic masturbation" -- was "an orgy of authorial self-satisfaction" (to paraphrase the review.) I find that, point by point, the reviewer missed everything I liked about Casshern. Maybe it's the difference between the Japanese version and the US cut. Then again, maybe not.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 12:28 am Reply with quote
Casshern's decent, but the build-up is a little on the slow side.
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