Forum - View topicNEWS: 4 Convicted in Pirate Bay File-Sharing Trial, Appeals Planned
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Mohawk52
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Let the bemoaning begin.
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Rolando_jose
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It's the end of the world as we know it...
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PetrifiedJello
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Bemoaning?
I agree with this part: "accessory to breaching copyright laws". I'm not against TPB's business purpose, but I am very against them reaping millions in revenue based on knowing their users were illegally distributing. Most of you know I despise current distribution models. However, I don't believe TPB was innovative, just circumventing current models. Had TPB worked with the entertainment industry by showing them how the site can be used to generate sales, the verdict would have been much different. Instead, the entertainment industry whined about piracy instead of treating you, the consumer, with respect while trying to control the market. Now can you people understand why this isn't piracy when a legitimate site is sued which performs no piracy of its own? I'm waiting to see how many people are upset with this verdict but then turn around and shout "piracy!" regarding fansub sites when they're exactly the same thing. That is where the bemoaning will come in. 
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mdo7
 Posts: 6253 Location: Katy, Texas, USA |
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This news is not only on this, I've seen this on Kotaku and gamepolitics also
http://www.gamepolitics.com/2009/04/17/pirate-bay-founders-guilty-will-appeal |
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jr240483
 Posts: 4376 Location: New York City,New York,USA |
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It's about time.Hopefully this WILL send a really strong message. Now if they can do this to those fansub groups,and they might convince me that the're doing something about this.
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Gilles Poitras
Posts: 476 Location: Oakland California |
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Good news.
Pirate Bay has a reputation of ignoring requests to remove info on copyrighted materials from the rights holders. The big companies had the resources to go after them, there were plenty of small companies that did not. Many folks don't know that books are also being scanned and distributed by torrents and other means. For small presses this can make the difference between survival in hard times and going out of business. Check out this list of Cease and Desist notices on the Pirate Bay site: This is a Known Bootleg Site/legal.php" target="_blank" class="postlink -wrap" rel="nofollow ugc">http://">This is a Known Bootleg Site/legal.php The page includes the responses of The Pirate Bay. |
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jr240483
Posts: 4376 Location: New York City,New York,USA |
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Unfortunately there's none of that for those fansubbers. They go after them but don't go after the fansubbers,fandubbers,illegal streaming sites and websites that veoh and megavideo still have ripped videos on the site in and effort to avoid poed the hardcoare anime community which don't make sense and kinda crazy,especially in this recession. |
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DmonHiro
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You actually think other pirates will give 2 cents? Don't get me started on fansubs. Slayers Evolution-R was licensed by Funi, they sent C&D, threaten to sue, deleted fansubs....and I can STILL find a fansub. Fansubbing is not going anywhere. At worst, we'll be going back to IRC. |
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PetrifiedJello
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Such ignorance. Fansub sites, in this country, can't be the target of similar lawsuits thanks to Safe Harbors*. In Sweden, however, copyright laws are less stringent (and the U.S. can learn from it). Please read the verdict and show me anywhere they were charged with copyright infringement. Instead, they were charged for reaping profits knowing copyright infringement existed. HUGE difference. Just be very, very thankful this case wasn't tried, and won, in the United States. The verdict would shut down every website, reaping profits, which contained "illegal" copyright material based on the sole allegation of companies who refuse to adapt. To call this "good news" is ignorance, and frightening, when the same damn tactics are increasing in this country every day. Instead of allowing your personal feelings make such remarks, try realizing the huge implications this has on every aspect of business, not just anime related business. *Safe Harbors only remains if DMCA takedown notices are acted upon. Unfortunately, this means legitimate information is removed regardless of Fair Use because for site operators, it's easier to take it down and address issues later than defend against distributors violating the law using DMCA as a way to remove "illegal" content. |
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TatsuGero23
 Posts: 1277 Location: Sniper Island, USA (It's in your heart!) |
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You guys also have to remember that the anime industry and fansubbers have a much much much different relationship compared to your average ripper and TV/Movie/Game studio. Sites like Pirate Bay were born out of the neccasity of people not wanting to pay for stuff. Fansubs were born out of the neccasity that they didn't want to wait 4 years for stuff or, in the past, to bring over classic or enjoyable series that would never make it to their region otherwise. The communication between the fansubbers and anime industry has been established and instead of just suing the fansubbers, the industry talks with them more and more. Working with them rather then working against them. With these talks the industry is in the mids of evolving and fansubbing is shifting more and more from the only source for anime, to a nesscary evil (current state), to no longer needed and eventually to illegal to the point someone will sue you. OR if we are lucky fansubbing will shift back to its more nobler times, providing content that has no chance of being licensed in other countries in a language its viewers understand or can read. Not like the current subbing groups having flame battles and turf wars over a anime. Did you know older fansub groups actually worked with other fansubbing groups to decide who would sub what series? *gasp! It's like they were a community rather then the clicks they are now! Thinking more "we bring this to you for the community" rather then "we bring this to you to fill are egos and cause we are better then that other group." No... I must be lying. People on the interweb aren't like that. Ah how the times have changed. And all that happened in like 10 years... Last edited by TatsuGero23 on Fri Apr 17, 2009 9:55 am; edited 2 times in total |
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RadicaLElly
 Posts: 194 Location: Coral Springs, FL |
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This is something I was wondering about. My understanding is that copyright and filesharing laws in Sweden are considerably more lenient. The charge that they got them on, "accessory to breaching copyright laws," seems quite ambiguous. I could argue that Google is an accessory to breaching copyright laws because it can be used to search for illegal torrent and rapidshare files. |
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Iritscen
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Well, at least Google doesn't host the torrent files, right? I am a bit tired of hearing Google's name dragged into this business every time it comes up. It's apples and oranges.
Anyway, I'm glad to see a lack of knee-jerk hating directed at the prosecution or anyone anti-TPB; this isn't the mature sort of response that I think most of the Internet will be having. |
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RadicaLElly
Posts: 194 Location: Coral Springs, FL |
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It's not illegal to host torrent files. Torrents themselves are not illegal. My understanding is that the issue here isn't the fact that they were hosting torrents but rather that they were acting as an accessory to copyright law violation. |
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Hardgear
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What I find the most amusing in this situation is the mad trash these guys were talking to people that requested they stop hosting these torrent files...
Since their URL is blocked on these forums, just go to their home page and click "legal threats" towards the bottom of the page for some laughs. Notice they basically repeatedly tell their accusers that they are outside the reach of international copyright law and are sure to rub it in. Wonder how much trash they gonna be talking now that they have learned that they are not, in fact, outside of the reach of the law 
Last edited by Hardgear on Fri Apr 17, 2009 11:30 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Tofusensei
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Please don't use the word nessasity(sic) in that context. Nobody /needs/ to pirate stuff. -Tofu |
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