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samuelp
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And I wonder if it's "coincidence" that the white, american-accented customer asks for "more abura"
(note "abura" can mean both "oil" or "fat") ...not that I could vote. |
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Dargonxtc
 Posts: 4463 Location: Nc5xd7+ スターダストの海洋 |
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Seems like this would be a more effective ad than the "propose" one. Do these run on TV?
I know it might seem ironic to the staff at ANN, or I guess even Americans. But not everywhere in the world is the word liberal automatically associated with socialism and or left leaning nature. In fact it is our political environment which was chiefly responsible for the distortion of the de facto meaning word. For instance, when Bush (agree with him or not is not the point) said he wished a liberal democracy would flourish in Iraq, obviously he didn't mean for AlGore to go down there and write their constitution. He meant things like women voting, representation, political freedom, religious freedom, etc. A liberal democracy is at the very foundation of conservatism and has been since 1776 (liberalism supposedly as well). I suppose I understand why they feel they have to point this out, but I still chuckle every time ANN does since there is nothing really ironic about it. Have we really become that stupid? |
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samuelp
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[quote="Dargonxtc"]Seems like this would be a more effective ad than the "propose" one. Do these run on TV?
[quote] I seem to recall these were web only. |
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Murasakisuishou
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I've always found that amusing too, although since experience has led me to believe that most of the staff here are Social Liberals and not Classical Liberals, they're used to thinking about the term 'liberalism' in a way that's entirely ironic in itself. Just goes to show how useless political labels like this are in the long term anyway, when their meanings can be changed so drastically over time. Anyway, I like the way these ads are written - it seems like they prod more at faults in the policy of the opposition in a general, abstract sort of way as opposed to the standard you-did-I-didn't that we see so much over here. |
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Kyogissun
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...Well, as I've said before, I'm trying desperately in my life to avoid politics in my hobbies soooooo...
Yeah, no comment. Nice to be reminded every now and then it invades EVERYTHING I deem FUN. ...Though politics in gaming IMHO, in the sense of the game being hijacked story wise for the sake of a 'message', isn't quite as bad nowadays. |
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Yuki_Kun45
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Again, why is this stuff news? It's just two political parties using a specific medium (being animation) it's really nothing new in the world of politics. You might as well post a news article that a political cartoon was published in a news paper with the falling sales of news papers. And I'm sure anime/manga has been used for politics in Japan since the dawn of time.
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Egan Loo
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Actually, the creation of traditional-style anime specifically for political ads is relatively rare in Japan compared to political manga. That's why the ads have been making the news in Japan as well. These are not rudimentary Flash-animated productions, although they are not high-quality by traditional anime standards. |
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posterior_praiser
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This. It's pretty much PoliSci 101. |
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HellKorn
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Maybe my understanding of neo-liberalism and neo-conservatism is incorrectly coloring my understanding, but strictly speaking aren't these ideologies -- liberalism and conservative -- at odds with one another in the United States? The misunderstanding of liberalism in the U.S. -- and consequently in this article -- isn't surprising considering the relative scarcity of people in this country who are both socially and economically liberal; so you get Democrats and Republicans alike tossing that term on leftists. |
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GATSU
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RE: Ramen. I'd hit it. Maybe.
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v1cious
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i like her "ehhh?" at the end of each commercial.
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Dargonxtc
Posts: 4463 Location: Nc5xd7+ スターダストの海洋 |
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Hmm, well that's a shame. Not that I really have a dog in the fight, but looking at this from purely a political standpoint it seems to me this latest one would be more effective. As someone who has seen way too many political ads, I would rate this a 6 (out of 10). Whereas most ads would fall below the 5 mark.
Liberalism and conservatism are ideologies, yes. But a liberal democracy is simply a term with a specific meaning. Going all the way back to the Federalist Papers (a keystone for western democracy) and even the Articles of Confederation* (the prequel to The Constitution) it simply means a set of fundamental principles that have been put in place to establish how the people whom rule exercise power and how they gain that authority. Simply put, it implies that government is limited in its powers and its modes of acting, the rule of law, and especially by a fundamental law or constitution, but ultimately it is limited by the rights of the individual. In a nutshell, that is a liberal democracy. It is neither conservative nor liberal in its connotations or inclusiveness, and both factions claim(and do so quite frequently) to abide by the fundamentals of a liberal democracy. Problems come up I think because they both quite rightly can legitimate those claims. As I said before, when people went apeshit(both right and left) when Bush said he wanted a liberal democracy in Iraq, these are people who have likely never opened a history book. It wasn't ironic, it was completely appropriate, made sense, and valid goal set forth that both parties (from an American perspective) should have cheered. Anyway, as I was saying it is not ironic in the least that the LDP happens to be a party of conservative leanings since the two are not mutually exclusive (a liberal democratic structure does not clash with a conservative ideology). Just as it is not ironic Republicans fully believe in democracy and Democrats fully realize we live in a republic. 
There are non-liberal democracies as well. Singapore for instance. *We could actually go back further to various documents from England, France and John Locke to find the first rumblings. But in a effort to not turn this into a total history lesson let's just keep this simple. |
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The Xenos
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Hmm... This 'liberal democracy' bit is interesting. Hadn't heard that description before. Before I thought someone said the party was called 'liberal' in that they were liberal toward the free market, a staple of American conservatism and Republican party. This is in contrast to American liberalism and what the Democrats call themselves, which are to the left of that. Relatively. Of course they're nothing compared to some of the quite further left politics of European nations and actual socialist countries.
Meanwhile, Japan is just a whole other spectrum. Their private and public works seem to be a rather mixed bag. Honestly I don't know how many of its programs are private and how many are publicly funded. Though in one comparison on health care Japan aligned more with European countries, I think. Though it's still elected and ruled by a more fiscally and socially conservative government. Me? I have reservations about both US parties. I can't say much about Japan because I don't know enough. If anything I'm a moderate libertarian, but still an independent voter. There was one comment from libertarian comic and manga artist Paul Pope on the term liberal I liked. He said libertarians were "true liberals" in that they were for total liberty and not more social programs like the Democrats. Then again even I am not as against public programs as he is. For an interesting international view, I like that Political Compass website and viewpoint. They have left and right only one axis of the political spectrum. Not sure if they list Japanese parties or if it's mostly Europe and the US. |
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Josh7289
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You have to admit that it's somewhat justified, though. |
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EmilScherbe1
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Another one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9A8LnhLrz0A&feature=channel bantering DPJ leaders as 'blurred four' for inconsistent behavior |
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