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NEWS: Japanese Industry Launches Global Anti-Piracy Effort


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Yorozuya



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 8:16 pm Reply with quote
Well its about time.

spoiler[Yes, they're going to fail but at least their putting in some effort!]
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dtm42



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 8:20 pm Reply with quote
CODA wrote:
in particular in Asia.


Well, good. It's not like those outside of Asia who illegally download particularly hurt the revenue streams of Japan-based animation companies. Foreign distributors, yes, but not the production studios themselves. I mean, they (the studios) don't even usually make Anime for the non-Japanese, so it's not like they care much about us anyway. If they get money from the wider world then that's fine. But if they don't, well it doesn't matter a great deal, as they don't rely on us to make their shows profitable.

I just hope that cracking down on sites in China doesn't affect the fansubbers. Don't some of them get their raws from there?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 8:21 pm Reply with quote
Sounds like a good move, especially with those studios on board. Wonder what the next areas be after China.

I understand the reasons and why people pirate things, but a lot of those who do don't buy and blah blah blah you know the rest. In the end, support the industry as a whole and buy something.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 8:23 pm Reply with quote
dtm42 wrote:
I just hope that cracking down on sites in China doesn't affect the fansubbers. Don't some of them get their raws from there?

The vast majority of quality groups have their own raw provider, who records and provides .TS captures.
Such a measure may however harm the swarm of low quality speedsub groups who just grab raws from elsewhere, which is a good thing in my book.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 8:43 pm Reply with quote
In my humble opinion the best way to stop digital piracy is to start offering legal digital alternatives. Hulu, Crunchyroll, Funimation's videos, and all the anime that's on digital stores like iTunes are a good start. It'd be nice if we started getting that stuff in HD though since fansubs are already there.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 8:44 pm Reply with quote
I wonder why they said Gundam 00 would be one of the works they said they would specifically crack down on.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 8:50 pm Reply with quote
dtm42 wrote:
CODA wrote:
in particular in Asia.


Well, good. It's not like those outside of Asia who illegally download particularly hurt the revenue streams of Japan-based animation companies. Foreign distributors, yes, but not the production studios themselves. I mean, they (the studios) don't even usually make Anime for the non-Japanese, so it's not like they care much about us anyway. If they get money from the wider world then that's fine. But if they don't, well it doesn't matter a great deal, as they don't rely on us to make their shows profitable.

I just hope that cracking down on sites in China doesn't affect the fansubbers. Don't some of them get their raws from there?


Well given that it mentions they plan to expand from China - this will, I imagine, directly effect fansubbers. You do realise fansubbing is pirating don't you? Laughing Exactly one of the things I imagine they will crackdown on.

How successful the will be remains to be seen, but they at least seem to be making a concerted effort this time. I am quite interested that they only believe 38k videos are shared a month, I would put the actual figure at many times that.
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nadir-seen-fire



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 8:52 pm Reply with quote
Is it me, or does the list of companies and anime being targeted feel suspicious. With the exception of Sunrise's Gintama (which considering the series is probably a special exception) I'm not seeing any of the studios/anime that are involved in trying to enter the digital age and provide legal ways to view their content online with revenue going back to them.


To me, this sort of looks like one group of companies is trying to hop onto the digital mediums and embrace them, whilst another group of companies is still rejecting the digital move and instead making another move trying to suppress things rather than fixing some of the reasons some of those people engage in the act in the first place.

I'd be more supportive of things like this if it were actually coming from companies embracing the positive moves at the same time as making the negative moves, instead of companies just re-doing the same close-minded attempts to erase anything they don't like.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 8:54 pm Reply with quote
They're an elephant trying to stamp out a swarm of flies.

They can't think to use fly spray and wouldn't know how to use it even if they could.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 8:55 pm Reply with quote
dtm42 wrote:
CODA wrote:
in particular in Asia.


Well, good. It's not like those outside of Asia who illegally download particularly hurt the revenue streams of Japan-based animation companies. Foreign distributors, yes, but not the production studios themselves. I mean, they (the studios) don't even usually make Anime for the non-Japanese, so it's not like they care much about us anyway. If they get money from the wider world then that's fine. But if they don't, well it doesn't matter a great deal, as they don't rely on us to make their shows profitable.


Actually (1) the license fees that foreign distributors pay do feed back to production studies. And with the licensed streaming sites like Crunchyroll, some of the license income is received while the show is being broadcast in Japan, (2) while they rely on the Japanese market for the bulk of their revenue, the profitability of marginal productions depends very much on whether there is a stream of license income.

Consider, the latest half year sales figures for all anime media (DVD, BRD, videotape, etc.) were around $1.4b for the half year, so suppose its $2.8b for the year. Sales in the US at their peak early in this decade where $500m. Now they are $350m.

So if US sales were STILL $500m, that would be $3.3b in annual sales, and the US media would be 15% of media revenue. Take out $150m from the US, and that is a 4.5% drop in total media revenue.

If a production was going to make 20% profits, its about a quarter of the profits lost. If a production was going to make 5% profits, its basically all of its profit gone. And if a production was just going to break even, now its operating at a loss.

And that is on top of dropping sales in Japan, which only increases the number of productions that are in the break-even and modest profit categories in the first place.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 8:56 pm Reply with quote
They'll get somewhere with watch online anime and threating isp

because of torrents

but irc and places like megaupload and rapidshare will be hard
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 8:56 pm Reply with quote
partially wrote:
Well given that it mentions they plan to expand from China - this will, I imagine, directly effect fansubbers. You do realise fansubbing is pirating don't you? Laughing Exactly one of the things I imagine they will crackdown on.


Ah, bugger, how embarrassing. I actually meant English-language fansubbers, not Chinese-language fansubbers. I apologise for the confusion.

agila61 wrote:
And if a production was just going to break even, now its operating at a loss.


But with the way the market is now, shows with weak sales in Japan are unlikely to be picked up for distribution in other markets anyway. And while digital fansubs are a big cause for there being a drop in sales, the economic conditions (both recent and long-standing, and both in Japan and elsewhere), are also to blame.

I can see what you're saying. But I'm not sure that the money from the distributors are going to make that much of a difference. They aren't exactly loaded with money, after all. But to reiterate what I said before, I'm not sure that any license fee large enough to offset a loss in Japan would be paid by a distributor. Unless of course the show was wildly popular, which would mean it wouldn't really need the license money in the first place.

No, the shows most likely to benefit the most from a license are those in the middle; possessing sales weak enough to want the money, but strong enough to come to the attention of distributors in the first place.


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nadir-seen-fire



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 8:56 pm Reply with quote
ninjaclown wrote:
I wonder why they said Gundam 00 would be one of the works they said they would specifically crack down on.

Probably just the same reason Ponyo is on the list. The companies involved put the most recently released stuff they put out first on the list. Gundam 00 is one of Sunrises latest releases (if not THE latest), like Ponyo is the most recent thing Studio Ghibli came out with.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 9:00 pm Reply with quote
Well, companies aren't going to sit and twiddle their thumbs forever. And laws are slowly but surely getting changed to it easier for them to take action. Free anime won't last forever- that's why I'm continuing to buy DVD's so I win in the Anime Apocalypse Smile [and for that matter vhs- I have VHS that are 20 years old and still work]
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 9:08 pm Reply with quote
you can't stop people from downloading anime, or manga from the net

it is like a beast when you kill one source 10 more pop up
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