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NEWS: Japan to Join Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement Talks


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Emerje



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 9:07 am Reply with quote
"Noda's administration argued that TPP would stimulate Japan's economy"

As if the yen isn't already way too strong compared to the US dollar. Of course, that's more our fault than theirs.

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MrXarnus



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 10:29 am Reply with quote
Does this mean that Japan will try to export more or have a cheaper yen or something?
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PetrifiedJello



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 10:35 am Reply with quote
As if Japan has a choice in the matter.
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agstar



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 10:51 am Reply with quote
Any Idea of what would happen with american copyright law, will there be a state side crack down on fan fiction and cosplay?
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R315r4z0r



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 12:01 pm Reply with quote
Copyright laws are a joke. They violate themselves, imo.

If I create something, it should be left to my own personal discretion to go after those who use my work for their own cause. If someone else, like law enforcement, does that without my consent then they are just as bad as the person being charged.
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Gilles Poitras



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 1:12 pm Reply with quote
R315r4z0r wrote:

If someone else, like law enforcement, does that without my consent then they are just as bad as the person being charged.


The way it works currently uin the countries where law enforcement is involved is that you have to convince law enforcement to go after the person you consider violating your copyright. They don't do it on their own.
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Gilles Poitras



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 1:15 pm Reply with quote
MrXarnus wrote:
Does this mean that Japan will try to export more or have a cheaper yen or something?


They are trying to do both. The high yen is widely considered to be due to an investment bubble and the Bank of Japan has been intervening to force the yen down. The high yen reduces Japan's ability to export goods and is a significant factor in their higher than usual under and unemployment.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 1:23 pm Reply with quote
Gilles Poitras wrote:
R315r4z0r wrote:

If someone else, like law enforcement, does that without my consent then they are just as bad as the person being charged.


The way it works currently uin the countries where law enforcement is involved is that you have to convince law enforcement to go after the person you consider violating your copyright. They don't do it on their own.


I think that R315r4z0r is talking about This:
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According to Fukui, if Japan joins the TPP, copyright violations will no longer be offenses which require a formal complaint from the injured party for prosecution. Under the current Copyright Law, the police and prosecutors cannot act against copyright infringement unless the copyright holders themselves file a complaint. The proposed changes under TPP would also allow statutory damages to be levied against defendants.


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At the Monday seminar (during which Fukui also spoke), Hachiya said that he fears that the police would be given the discretion on what to prosecute, particularly on "erotic" material. He further asserted that even cosplay outfits can been prosecuted if the police decides that they are not allowed.
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mewpudding101
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 3:01 pm Reply with quote
I'm in college in Hawaii right now. Man, the roads are packed because they blocked off the road to the convention center where they're meeting.
Ugh, why does he have to push the issue? Doujinshi is a piece that makes up a part of the Japanese pop culture. Why get rid of it? Making copyright laws too strict makes EVERYONE angry.
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enurtsol



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 3:13 pm Reply with quote
Japan didn't want to be left out of the free trade agreements. That's basically what TPP is.
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Mr. sickVisionz



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 3:23 pm Reply with quote
R315r4z0r wrote:
If I create something, it should be left to my own personal discretion to go after those who use my work for their own cause.


Umm, this is pretty much exactly how copyrights work. If the person who owns the copyright wants to make it totally free to the public with no control over it, they can totally do that. It'd be stupid to waste time and money even getting it copyrighted if you want zero control over the rights others have to copy your material, but they can do that if they want.
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EleutheroMaster



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 7:20 pm Reply with quote
Can't those opposing the TPP (farmers, fishermen, manga artists, etc.) call for a labour strike or something?

Half the DPJ guys in the Diet also oppose this. Would they quit and join the other parties or from their OWN party?
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R315r4z0r



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 9:42 pm Reply with quote
Mr. sickVisionz wrote:
R315r4z0r wrote:
If I create something, it should be left to my own personal discretion to go after those who use my work for their own cause.


Umm, this is pretty much exactly how copyrights work. If the person who owns the copyright wants to make it totally free to the public with no control over it, they can totally do that. It'd be stupid to waste time and money even getting it copyrighted if you want zero control over the rights others have to copy your material, but they can do that if they want.

I know that. That's the way it should work. I said that. But the problem is that it doesn't look like it is going to stay that way for very long.
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Errinundra
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 9:50 pm Reply with quote
I imagine most of the posters in this thread are from America. The TPP seeks to standardise copyright law in the signatory nations - to match those in force currently in the US.

So... you guys currently live under those laws. Do they curtail cosplay? Do they stop fanfiction? Of fanart? How often do the police pursue copyright infringements without receiving complaints from copyright holders?

My guess is that Japanese doujinshi will be treated as liberally as ever.
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Haterater



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 10:34 pm Reply with quote
I don't think it'll be too bad. I'm sure they'll work things and only the most hard cases will be locked down. That Tokyo bill only seemed to go after a "few" and hasn't been spread, so there's hope.
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