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_Archer_
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If even animation/artwork this bad is only considered C+/B-, then I have to wonder what anime ANN reviewers would consider to have visuals worthy of having grades lower than that, because Eclipse has some of the worst visuals this season, let alone in general. QUALITY is everywhere in this anime, and I could've sworn there was a scene in episode one where you can see through a guys jacket to see the background behind him.
I'm also kinda surprised you didn't bring up anything about the amount of annoying Japanese nationalism involved in the show, but if I were to take a guess, I would imagine you haven't read the Alternative Visual Novel which has a whole arc dedicated to such stupidity, so perhaps such impressions aren't as strong on people unfamiliar with the source material Eclipse is a spinoff of. Additionally, I find it odd that you would complain about Tarisa's character, but not Yuuya or Yui, though if the nationalism aspects of the series didn't bother you, I guess their characters don't come across as completely annoying. |
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Vaisaga
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There seems to be a bit of confusion... Total Eclipse itself is not based on an erogame, but a light novel series set in the same universe as the erogame. Aside from Yuuhi's brief cameo, no characters from the games have appeared.
That said, the novels are still aimed at the erogame playing audience so a lot of the same elements are present (like Yuuya's inevitable harem). Also...
Yuuya gets along pretty well with Taria, Stella, and VG so I'm not sure where you get this idea... |
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egoist
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We've had 3 terribad episodes, so it's a surprise to see such a positive review. Maybe if it were the entire series as the value of said episodes would dissipate, but within 6 episodes they represent too much.
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Fencedude5609
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Racism: TEH ANIMU
Its kinda funny though. |
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egoist
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Here we go with the racism. Should I expect several pages filled with people who barely understand the term acting like lawyers?
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Fencedude5609
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Yui and Yuuya are both hilariously racist. And I mean "hilarious" in the most comedy inducing means possible. Episode 3 was one of the funniest goddamn things I've ever seen. "Yuuuuuya Bridges?" |
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Vaisaga
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It's no more annoying than your typical Hollywood action movie. See enough of those and that stuff stops bothering you. Of course any given country are going to portray themselves positively in media. Besides so far any nationalism is applied to the mecha themselves. And it's not "Japanese TSFs are the best thing ever," it's more "your job is to test this TSF for Japanese use, so stop saying it's the machine's fault and pilot it like a Japanese would!" |
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walw6pK4Alo
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I'm lenient on mecha that aren't completely stuffed with pretty boys, so I'll be watching this to the end regardless of where it goes. But knowing the source material well enough to grasp the situation and the history, I'd be sticking around for that even if they were driving tanks. The plugsuits are just an added bonus, it's such a wonderful season for this stuff.
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Xanas
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I really don't get what's bad about the art? I like the character designs and the mecha themselves seem decent, is this really more about the animation? I really can't comment on that, I'm not an expert and I haven't really noticed anything utterly terrible there like the first poster.
As for the nationalism, I think that stuff is par for the course. I am an anarchist, so I'm not exactly someone who likes the normal jingoistic attitudes of people here. The US is far worse than Japan in this regard honestly, it's so bad that the US military helps out films that push their agenda and cuts anyone off who deviates in the slightest way (The Avengers). |
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Fencedude5609
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The 2D animation is really completely terrible. The art isn't exactly amazing either, but the animation is well below par.
The 3D stuff isn't bad though. |
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Xanas
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Can you site some specific examples so I can watch for this? I'm just curious whether it annoys me after I'm immediately aware of what to look out for? I guess I don't pay that much attention to very specific details probably due to the sub reading (this is one reason I do like dubs actually). |
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Fencedude5609
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Not specifically, but it would be instructive to watch it compared to some other currently airing shows. All shows have their ups and downs in art and animation (ok, Hyouka doesn't, but that doesn't really count), but TE is just really stiff and flat. Its best animated (non-CG) stuff is barely average compared to most of what else is airing. For stuff on CR that would make for easy comparisons, try...Dog Days', Sword Art Online and Kokoro Connect. Now, sine TE's action scenes are pretty much exclusively CG, it can't show off the Sakuga like those shows (well, not KokoroCo, really) can, but even their walking and talking type stuff is a head and shoulders above Total Eclipse. This doesn't make Total Eclipse a "bad show", just not very well animated. Hell, the single best episode of anime this entire year was, while artistically very pretty, pretty terribly animated. |
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Xanas
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In response to your last line, what was that single best anime episode?
I'm watching the other series you mention, so I'll try to pay attention to see if I can get at what you are talking about with the animation. Are you talking about them being lazy about what they animate or don't, choosing scenes that are very easy /etc? Or are you talking about motions that seem jerky vs those that are more fluid? Or would this include changing the art significantly during periods of a lot of motion (Dog Days first season did not look good during Milhi's song scene because of this) I appreciate the scenes that are done well when it matters, but I don't really mind them cutting costs by using shortcuts to cut animation if it's not required, such as during scenes involving dialog. As for the Hyouka example, I think I kind of get what you are saying somewhat perhaps. It seemed very pretty art-wise and animation was pretty fluid that I recall, although I think this is the norm for KyoAni stuff. I unfortunately couldn't keep watching that show though because it was terribly boring. The plot was just not interesting, the mysteries were too mundane for me even though I thought the characters were ok. I really wanted to like the show because of the other parts that I appreciated, but couldn't make it. |
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Fencedude5609
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Sengoku Collection 18
You have to differentiate between art and animation. Total Eclipse's art is generally ok. Not amazing, but well within acceptable levels. Its ANIMATION is frequently terrible. That Dog Days scene you mentioned was animated great, but had really weird art (this was fixed in the BD release, of course)
Of course, which is why I wouldn't ding a show for this if it pulls through otherwise. But even then, compare the talking head scenes in TE to some of the other shows I mentioned. |
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Lordziba
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Personally, I am awaiting on the non-fan service mecha show of this caliber. I also got so far 5 volumes of the art books that follow the anime/novel. Two things, I am sick and tired to see Russians/Soviets as bad guys, despite the menacing aliens, I thrilled to see some GDR/NVA (in the art book so far) forces, nice change either from Nazis or modern Bundeswehr. Interesting, I want to understand that world more. I gathered that Alaska base is under auspices of the UNAF, and international teams gathered there either lost or partially lost territory to BETA. I am wondering about Yui, is she is an Imperial Guard of what, Japanese Imperial Military or JSDF?
Thank you, Zibster! |
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