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NEWS: Police Sergeant Charged With Recording Nanoha 2nd Film


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sarroush





PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 11:18 pm Reply with quote
He recorded it but didn't share? I am deeply saddened. Shall wait another century for the BDs.

Though seriously...why record it THREE times? You'd assume once would be enough. But...going to watch the movie three times already wasn't enough? He had to record it each time too?
/sigh.
Must've been a damn good movie.
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RyanSaotome



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 11:23 pm Reply with quote
Whats more damaging to this guys reputation? The fact he committed a crime, or that now everyone knows he's a near 40 year old guy watching anime about little girls?
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Hypeathon



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 11:38 pm Reply with quote
W--wow! Wow, just.... wow!
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Clyde_Cash



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 11:45 pm Reply with quote
It's not like he was recording it to sell bootlegs.
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crosswithyou



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:17 am Reply with quote
NO MORE EIGA DOROBOU!

Clyde_Cash wrote:
It's not like he was recording it to sell bootlegs.

Even if he didn't record it to distribute, the fact is that he broke the law so the reason behind it is rather irrelevant.

Say someone stole a comic from the book store, read it at home, and then returned it to the book store the next day. Does returning the book change the fact that they stole it in the first place?
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selfDemanDeD



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:38 am Reply with quote
Of course, he said that he recorded it to watch at home. Do you think he would be stupid enough to tell: "Well, I thought I'd share this stuff on the Internet, but it's no biggie folks, put me off the hook just for 1/10 of my monthly salary"? Very Happy
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vanfanel



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:09 am Reply with quote
sarroush wrote:
Though seriously...why record it THREE times?


Moral conflictedness making him erase it, go back, erase it, go back?

Video/audio quality perfectionism?

Forgot to remove lens cap the first two times?
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configspace



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:09 am Reply with quote
GokuMew2 wrote:
NO MORE EIGA DOROBOU!

Clyde_Cash wrote:
It's not like he was recording it to sell bootlegs.

Even if he didn't record it to distribute, the fact is that he broke the law so the reason behind it is rather irrelevant.

It is relevant when considering the ethics of the case. And "eiga dorobou" is quite wrong.

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Say someone stole a comic from the book store, read it at home, and then returned it to the book store the next day. Does returning the book change the fact that they stole it in the first place?

That's not an equivalent analogy at all. First, he already paid for his seat in the theater for all of the three times. Second, a defining characteristic of real property is that only a single possessor is allowed. That means real theft involves an actual loss, depriving the original possessor of the possession. But that is not the case here, or with information in general. His recording does not deprive the theater of any of their possessions.

In fact we already bring a recording device to every theater: our brain. How is that any different? We can already begin to recreate images from brain signals in a very rough way. Imagine in the future if we can record our memories or thoughts out onto digital media.

However it is unfortunate there is a hypocritical response for this case. Anyone else would have been arrested and have a serious criminal charge and record, and maybe his home searched with even more charges piled on. It's not that I want the officer subjected to the same treatment as others, but I want others subjected to the same treatment as this guy.
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Banken



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 5:03 am Reply with quote
It's Fukushima City, not Fujishima.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 5:10 am Reply with quote
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Say someone stole a comic from the book store, read it at home, and then returned it to the book store the next day. Does returning the book change the fact that they stole it in the first place?


The hole in your analogy is that thousands of people do this every day at book stores, and they don't even leave the establishment to do it. In fact the book stores even provide cushy chairs for them to lounge in while they commit this so-called intellectual property theft, free Wi-Fi, and a cafe with crapichino and cookies. Why would they even need to go anywhere to read it? Laughing

What I don't get is why would anyone want to record a movie in a theater. I mean it's not like they'll just let you bring a tripod in so it's going to be shaky as hell since no one can hold their hands still for 2 minutes let alone 2 hours. Plus the audio will sound like crap and you'll immortalize the prattle of that one whiny kid, who never shuts the hell up, who's in every single movie you see, so you'll have to listen to him every time you watch it.

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walw6pK4Alo



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 5:21 am Reply with quote
Kruszer wrote:
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Say someone stole a comic from the book store, read it at home, and then returned it to the book store the next day. Does returning the book change the fact that they stole it in the first place?


The hole in your analogy is that thousands of people do this every day at book stores, and they don't even leave the establishment to do it. In fact the book stores even provide cushy chairs for them to lounge in while they commit this so-called intellectual property theft, free Wi-Fi, and a cafe with crapichino and cookies. Why would they even need to go anywhere to read it? Laughing


Guaranteed sales on concessions are why I wish movie theaters had more double features. I had one for To Rome With Love and Moonrise Kingdom earlier this year, and it just seems like a smart way to keep people in the movie house, buying more popcorn, soda, and candy. Or at least buying the maximum sizes because they're there for 4-5 hours. If you're just going to one movie, you can skip the snacks much more easily. Catering to the needs that can't be satisfied with downloading is about the best they can do now.
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Banken



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 5:30 am Reply with quote
Videotaping a movie in the theater is stealing.

Copying a DVD is not.

I imagine his career isn't going to be going anywhere for a while... he really picked the wrong thing to do in the wrong movie theater. He should have just waited for the rental to watch it again...
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 5:34 am Reply with quote
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Guaranteed sales on concessions are why I wish movie theaters had more double features. I had one for To Rome With Love and Moonrise Kingdom earlier this year, and it just seems like a smart way to keep people in the movie house, buying more popcorn, soda, and candy. Or at least buying the maximum sizes because they're there for 4-5 hours. If you're just going to one movie, you can skip the snacks much more easily. Catering to the needs that can't be satisfied with downloading is about the best they can do now.


I'm a cheapskate there. Not really because it's outrageously expensive, but because they don't have my favorite kind of soda. Thus usually the ticket price is all they'll bleed out of me. I could buy another anime series with the price I'd spend on concessions at the theater afterall.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 7:29 am Reply with quote
configspace wrote:
And "eiga dorobou" is quite wrong.

Clearly you have not seen the "No more eiga dorobou" ads that run before movies in Japan. You should-- they're hilarious. I was simply making a reference to that.

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That's not an equivalent analogy at all. First, he already paid for his seat in the theater for all of the three times.

Perhaps, but that ticket is only for viewing the movie ONCE, and only in the theater. It is not for viewing the movie in the theater and then at home as many time as you want.

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Second, a defining characteristic of real property is that only a single possessor is allowed. That means real theft involves an actual loss, depriving the original possessor of the possession. But that is not the case here, or with information in general. His recording does not deprive the theater of any of their possessions.

I see it as more the license holder of the movie and less the theater that is losing out here. As I previously mentioned, the guy's ticket only allows for him to watch the movie once and at a specific location. The guy basically made a copy of something that is not his.


Kruszer wrote:
The hole in your analogy is that thousands of people do this every day at book stores, and they don't even leave the establishment to do it. In fact the book stores even provide cushy chairs for them to lounge in while they commit this so-called intellectual property theft, free Wi-Fi, and a cafe with crapichino and cookies. Why would they even need to go anywhere to read it? Laughing

The point is the guy left the theater with a hard copy of the movie. If you're going to read a book inside a bookstore then that's fine. It's like same as watching a movie in a theater. But the guy left the theater with a hard copy so he can watch it again at home without having to pay extra. Perhaps a better analogy would be going to a bookstore, picking a book off the shelf, and making a photocopy of every single page, in effect making a copy of the book. You may have paid the copy machine to make the photocopies, but you did not pay for the book.


But seriously, regardless of what intention the guy had of doing with his recording, isn't it a given that it is against the law to bring a camera into a movie theater and record the movie? I don't see why any of you are even trying to argue that this is OK.
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Nanya



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 9:26 am Reply with quote
"The guy basically made a copy of something that is not his. "

I don't see how that's a problem.

Have you ever recorded a movie off of television? Had a friend rip a DVD for you?

If so, you have done the exact same thing as this guy did.

One thing I will say is this, stupid laws get ignored by the people all the time.

In its current form, copyright laws are stupid laws, thus they get ignored all the time.
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