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Episode Review: Hanayamata


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Kaioshin_Sama



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 5:47 pm Reply with quote
The sense I keep getting from this show is it's basically like Love Live! School Idol Project only about Yosakoi dancing instead of idol singing and dancing.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 5:50 pm Reply with quote
After reading Theron's review, I regret not to give this show a chance. Not to mention it is produced by madhouse, one of my favorite studios along with Production IG
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 6:06 pm Reply with quote
Wow. A-, huh. I like Hanayamata a lot but even I wouldn't have been quite that generous.

I wish the budget was bigger so the dancing could be fully animated. Those yosakoi costumes look gorgeous.
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the ovular look of Hana's face and her snaggletooth make her practically a caricature
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 6:18 pm Reply with quote
Kaioshin_Sama wrote:
The sense I keep getting from this show is it's basically like Love Live! School Idol Project only about Yosakoi dancing instead of idol singing and dancing.

Maybe try watching it first before you start comparing it to other shows.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 7:01 pm Reply with quote
Fronzel wrote:
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the ovular look of Hana's face and her snaggletooth make her practically a caricature
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snaggletooth
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Not depicting American attitudes towards orthodonture correctly

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lol

I actually enjoy Hanayamata, it has ok drama, nice characters (Hana is so cute and Tami's my favorite), and a friendship theme that melts the heart, brings tears, and soothes the soul. It's sad that it won't sell well.
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Kaioshin_Sama



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 7:07 pm Reply with quote
Rederoin wrote:
Kaioshin_Sama wrote:
The sense I keep getting from this show is it's basically like Love Live! School Idol Project only about Yosakoi dancing instead of idol singing and dancing.

Maybe try watching it first before you start comparing it to other shows.


I have watched a couple episodes. That was still the impression I got so there you go. Don't see any reason for getting so indignant and defensive here other than it's what you seem to do in general.
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minamikaze



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 7:12 pm Reply with quote
In the episode 1-8 summary, the reviewer mixed up two of the girls' names, you might want to correct them.

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Machi, the Student Council Vice-President, a rich girl who takes inspiration from Naru's example and starts to realize herself that she is no longer content to be Daddy's Little Girl
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Tami, the Student Council President
is actually Machi.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 7:21 pm Reply with quote
Kaioshin_Sama wrote:
The sense I keep getting from this show is it's basically like Love Live! School Idol Project only about Yosakoi dancing instead of idol singing and dancing.


Maybe that's because you don't have much knowledge of the genre outside of Love Live?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 7:22 pm Reply with quote
Kaioshin_Sama wrote:


I have watched a couple episodes. That was still the impression I got so there you go.

And like I said, your impression is wrong. Love Live did not come up with the 'forming a club' trope, aside from that they aren't similiar. Hanayamata is a dramatic SoL and Love Live is a musical/idol SoL. Different genres, that just happen to use 1 trope that is popular in the middle/high school SoL genre. if you actually watched more series in that genre you would know this.


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Don't see any reason for getting so indignant and defensive here other than it's what you seem to do in general.

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leeoflittlefaith



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 7:28 pm Reply with quote
"Because of that, the content can make significant emotional appeals on multiple occasions without ever seeming sappy."

The paragraph that ends with this line...I agree with it...to an extent. The yosakoi challenging them and fulfilling other needs is definitely done in a genuine way and it's very well-meaning...

...but it frequently takes it too far. When every episode crams in up to three different emotional tirades about why yosakoi and having fun with friends is important it stops pulling on the heartstrings and starts yanking on the gag reflex.

The show tries to lampoon this, the girls blush and mention that it's corny sometimes and I appreciate that too, but it's just TOO much sickly sweetness to make up for. I'm enjoying the show, it's good in most other regards, but I'm frankly a bit embarrassed to recommend it.
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meiam



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 7:36 pm Reply with quote
I tried the first three episode, I ultimately drooped it because it felt like it was trying to do too much at the same time. It was trying to set up some sort of yuri action, although from what I read it's another case of "girl that are just really really really really friend with each other and get super jealous when they make new friend". It was trying to set up some sort of drama with poor main character that's constantly down. And it was trying to do stuff with yosakoi, which is really uninteresting as far as I'm concern, the routine are super simple and only interesting when performed in large group, which is impossible since the show can't really manage a 40+ cast, really should have just gone with another form of dancing that work with a small cast of character.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 8:00 pm Reply with quote
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This is a full-dive personality exploration, one which plumbs down to the core of who these girls are and what moves and motivates them. For each of them yosakoi comes to represent not just a hobby but an endeavor which she can use to fulfill deeper needs. It is more than just a way to have fun with friends, though it is definitely that; it is a way to express oneself amongst the safety of others doing the same, a means to step beyond past constraints, and to draw closer to those you respect, admire, and/or value. These eight episodes look at all of that (and the minutiae behind what yosakoi is and what all goes into it, too, of course) in great detail but without being too obvious about it, which gives the content a real sense of depth and sincerity.


This is easily why I really like this show far more than most SoL I've seen(Love Live notwithstanding as I haven't finished it yet). I honestly would not have caredif the girls never actually started dancing cause the character interactions and drama are far more interesting than the yasakoi itself. That said I do like a nice dance number and an actual animated sequence would have been nice :/. Honestly though if it weren't for the drama this series probably would have come off like K-on but with dancing (in other words another typical cute girls doing cute things show).

As for the characters I honestly kinda hate Hana. Her peppiness gets on my nerves especially whenever there's any kind of drama going on. She always comes off like the entitled rich white girl she is, she fumbles around, acts like an obnoxious tourist and overall never reaches the depth of the other characters. She's a plot device to keep the yasakoi plot skeleton in place and not really much more.

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A harder nut to crack is Yaya, a long-time friend of Naru, who only half-heartedly helps out at first because she has her own band to worry about and is initially somewhat bothered that Naru does not have to rely on her as much anymore.


Yaya is probably my favorite of the bunch. Initially it did seem like she was just kinda a jealous tsundere who was annoyed by Hana (I know the feeling) But after episode 7 she's become the most relatable, to me anyways. Yaya definitely propped herself up on the cool girl image. She was stylish, part of a band, and even a shy best friend that made her look good in comparison. Up until Hana came around and started disrupting things she was cruising along with her image until reality finally hit her in episode 7. The band failed it's debut, broke up, and to top it off her best friend has come into her own and become a part of her own group. It's pretty crushing to be suddenly dragged down to earth like that. Her overreaction and jelously of Naru felt very believable to me and I can definitely see her point of view on the matter, Naru has been largely "successful" making friends and doing well with her routine while Yaya has continually crashed and burned all within the span of a couple days. I'd be jealous too all things considered.

I don't have much to say about Naru and Tami. I don't care at all about my parent's expectations and my wallflower status does not bug me in the slightest. Though based on what I've seen it does feel believable I just can't relate.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 9:10 pm Reply with quote
Rederoin wrote:

And like I said, your impression is wrong. Love Live did not come up with the 'forming a club' trope, aside from that they aren't similiar. Hanayamata is a dramatic SoL and Love Live is a musical/idol SoL. Different genres, that just happen to use 1 trope that is popular in the middle/high school SoL genre. if you actually watched more series in that genre you would know this.


Okay see here's the thing my ever projecting internet acquaintance, in your hastily defensive reply I think you neglected to realize two key things and this may have a lot to do with our just obviously fundamentally different tastes and approach to conversing with others. One is that I never actually said I thought Love live came up with the forming a club trope. Obviously this is not the case, what I said was that it felt like it was basically like Love Live only with Yosakoi dancing instead of Idol singing/dancing. The other is that this might just be me, but I don't think it's possible to have a wrong personal impression and appreciation of a show though I think it is entirely possible to get specific facts wrong. I think it's possible to disagree with others impressions, but to say they're flat out wrong, I think that's a bit more complicated. Again though I really don't believe in being incredibly defensive and opinionated over ideas so I don't really see the point in starting shit over this sort of thing. Obviously there's a difference in ideas and approach here...more on that sort of thing below.


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I disagree and don't acknowledge teaching you much of anything. Hell we've yet to have a meaningful exchange of ideas anywhere in any venue. I think we are just fundamentally very different people in more ways than I can possibly think of to count. You're you and I'm me so I think you should own your own tendencies and I'll worry about owning mine.

For example I think it's crystal clear and goes without saying that you have far more experience and apparent appreciation for the whole "slice of life" thing as it were than I am ever likely to have, but it's basically just whatever to me same as the whole Yuri thing you're into. I never said I didn't like what I saw of the Hanayamata show if that's what this latest thing is all about between us. Honestly I don't have any particularly strong opinions about it either way like I do some other franchises, just that one impression and off hand comparison that seems to have really touched a nerve with you for whatever reason. I don't know what you think you're defending in this particular case but I don't think you're going to get anywhere with the effort because as far as I'm concerned I have nothing to prove and really I'm not sure what it is you're trying to prove either.

Yeah honestly this is just a general to nobody in particular, lately I don't get what's with some fans on these forums. Why does it seem like some of the more prolific posters are always so bent out of shape and just kind of angry and bitter about something or everything. I mean I get like that too sometimes, it's hard not to during certain seasons with this hobby, but it feels like sort of an all the time thing on ANN and really just makes me wonder you know....it's like even when you're not even remotely looking for a fight there's a 50/50 chance somebody is going to start something with you on ANN and it doesn't reflect well on the community a lot of the time at all.... Confused
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 11:05 pm Reply with quote
Agree with Theron's review, although I am currently on episode 8. It's my favorite anime of this season. It's a bit sappy, but I don't mind. I almost wasn't going to watch it, but after seeing a promo, plus the fact that Madhouse was handling the animation, I decided to give it a go and am glad I did. I thought Hana's fangs were a bit much at first, but she's pretty cute. I also like that some of the VA's from WUG are in this.
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