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kirisaki_kabuto
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I had completely forgotten about this. So they still need 190k in the next 4 days? I don't know how much influence Kojima's "star-power" carries within the community but that seems like a close to impossible goal.
My opinion, from the start, was that they should have tried to publish a sort of oneshot in a manga magazine in Japan and try to get attention to their story through it. If successful the story could have been serialized. If the story is truly good, it could have gotten popular. From there they could have taken several routes, all of which would have been more viable than this one. If taken due care while choosing a studio, they wouldn't tamper too much with the adaptation. This is my way of saying that (if they fail - I may be jumping the gun here) what they were lacking for such an ambitious project was a pre-established fanbase to support the project, since it's tough for most people to invest money on something that has no preceding material to attest for its potential (for example, LWA2 got close to those numbers with its kickstarter since its Anime Mirai original was very well received in the West). |
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Themaster20000
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It's not an impossible goal when you take in too account that the last 48 hours is one of the biggest funding periods for kickstarter projects in general.
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kirisaki_kabuto
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If that is true, then it might have a chance. I have never followed a kickstarter project very closely from start to finish so what I say may be wrong but wouldn't that apply mostly to projects that have clearly passed their goal by those last 48 hours? Those would basically be the people trying to get the assured rewards. If a show is off by a fairly long margin do you think it would still get such a boost? Just to make sure, I'm not being rhetorical or sarcastic or anything, it's a legitimate question. |
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The studio aren't the ones tampering with the adaption. That's the production committee (and sometimes the director), which only cares about making as much money as possible.
You mean to make it a manga to get exposure? The whole point of the kickstarter is to avoid outside interference on their story. Making it a manga means adapting to the magazine and the editor, and eventually adapting to the production committee's wishes + budget if it ever even gets an anime. |
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Themaster20000
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It's really varies from project to project. Take this game for example http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/486250632/republique-by-camouflaj-logan/ Had a price similar to this a 500,000 and was not even close to making it's goal,but it got a huge jump the last week and it ended making raising most of it's goal in those last 48 hours. Now it honestly comes down to how a kickstarter campaign is ran. If a project does a good job with the updates and has something to show off then people who are on the fence for most of it will pledge something. |
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MarshalBanana
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I wish he had donated as well, I bet he has a lot of money.
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kirisaki_kabuto
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Not all manga magazine's staff are Jump's staff. In fact, even though there is a considerable amount of editor-author communication in most if not all magazines the authors have their fair share of freedom (I'm referring mostly to seinen mags here). Obviously there are themes that will be forbidden, the number of pages per chapter is determined by them and later has to be adjusted for the tank, there will be small "fixes" and "suggestions" but I sincerely doubt that, especially when dealing with someone who already made a name for himself (even if in a different medium), the staff would be as invasive as you seem to suggest. Especially if the concept for the story published in oneshot format had proven successful, the magazine would give the author a bit more free rein. There are plenty examples of manga that just simply wouldn't exist if the field was as you seem to indicate. Besides that I think that using kickstarter will not grant him (writer) the project he envisioned for the last decade. He envisioned a 24 or 26 episode long series and here he'll be forced to condense the story, character introduction and development and world building to 24 minutes. This means compressing everything and probably betting strongly on action. In comparison I believe that going with the manga would prove to be more truthful to his vision. Not to mention that if the manga was popular there's a big chance that - studio, production committee, series director, whatever, whoever - would try to remain faithful since it means they had to appease to a pre-established fanbase. I feel that that pressure is more likely to be felt with original series and movies (such as this) since there's more risk riding on it. With a previously successful manga changes could be made, but probably none that would change the pre-existing material tremendously. All things considered I still think he has to adapt himself more to the kickstarter than if they had managed to make a popular manga. But then again there are too many ifs and buts to know the actual answer. @Themaster20000 A good example you provided there. I guess it's more of a "wait-and-see" case than I previously assumed. |
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ASD1392
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You are talking about UTD as if it were some random anime movie people should donate their money to just because of its story or quality. UTD is a project created by Masahiro Ando and Jiro Ishii with the intention of showing japanese studios and corporations that good anime can be created without them and their investor mindset conditions. Create a one-shot? UTD is not about its story only, is about bringing good old animation back to life. Publishing this project through a manga would be an insult. Not to mention that they'll be limited by the rules of the editorial that publishes it. They can't "carefully" choose a studio, since the studios are the ones that choose the projects. Not to mention that many studios have offered Jiro Ishii to animate UTD since 1995 and he has rejected them all since they wanted to modify his work to make it more appealing to japanese otaku audience. If you read what they have written in the Kickstarter site, it's clear that they want to take a stand against japanese studios and corporation, not to mention against japanese otaku audience. That's why they decided to fund this project through Kickstarter, with the support of foreign audience. The ONLY way they can accomplish this goal is through Kickstarter. If there is someone to blame about this project not having enough recognition are news sites and anime bloggers, who haven't been speaking of the huge importance of this campaign all this long. |
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Freakmasta
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I dunno. There's one person who donated $10,000. |
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CrownKlown
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He probably did donate. That being said its unlikely he would donate the remaining 200K. But I assume he put in a couple of K.
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walw6pK4Alo
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I think it's a pointless gesture if they mean anything larger than just getting their own thing funded. There's no way you could have multiple competing Kickstarters each asking for $1.5-2 million to get 12 episodes off the ground. One episode every few months? Sure. Entire shows simultaneously? Not a chance. Even if you abhor how the system works now, it's really the only way it makes sense short of making humble generalized entertainment that's aiming for nonexistent daytime slots. I find this whole idea of otaku and production committees ruining every since the 90s a load of bull, as if even the most stubborn critics haven't found sometime to enjoy on a regular seasonal basis. Specifically pertaining to action oriented cyberpunk series, GitS Arise is going on right now. Last edited by walw6pK4Alo on Tue Sep 02, 2014 5:44 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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ASD1392
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Actually, some admin from the kickstarter already confirmed that Kojima hasn't donated any money. He hasn't dedicated a tweet to the campaign either. |
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Rychy
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Trying to decide if I'm going to back this one ... love Kozaki's designs.
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EyeOfPain
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The end goal of the KS is to create a trilogy of feature-length productions, not to tell the entire story within the span of a single 24-minute episode. |
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relyat08
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Some sources suggest(not verified) that they have external backers willing to donate 10x the kickstarter donations. Which, would make sense, since their final goal is to make a trilogy of Theatrical OVAs that would cost roughly 10x what their base funding goal is. A single 24 minute episode was never the goal. It is a way for them to get the story started. A way for them to show us what they are capable of. I am a huge fan of these guys, I appreciate and respect what they are trying to do, and I wish them the very best. A little disappointed with how the kickstarter has proceeded, but still crossing my fingers. |
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