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here-and-faraway



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2014 1:41 pm Reply with quote
I've always worry about Kentaro Miura, the creator of Berserk passing away. He was born in 1966, so he's by no means a withering old man, but the series has a long way to go and a very slow output.
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This made me remember Noboru Yamaguchi, the author of Zero no Tsukaima, who passed away a year ago without finishing the last few volumes of his light novel series. As he left many notes behind, some people say that they should get someone to finish the novels once and for all in order to give his story "a proper ending", and though I see their point, I don't know how I'd feel knowing that the ending wasn't written by him...
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as for finishing works of deceased authors, as long as the person doing it has a good grasp of the work it can be done (I enjoyed the end of the wheel of time series).
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Author of Itazura no Kiss, Kaoru Tada, comes to mind...
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They all got stuck with a lot of turkeys, and paid too much for most of those turkeys.


Just out of honest curiosity what were some infamous titles like this? Shows that companies paid a lot for the license of that turned out to be terrible and/or that sold terribly?
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noblesse oblige



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2014 5:16 pm Reply with quote
kazenoyume wrote:
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They all got stuck with a lot of turkeys, and paid too much for most of those turkeys.


Just out of honest curiosity what were some infamous titles like this? Shows that companies paid a lot for the license of that turned out to be terrible and/or that sold terribly?


I'm pretty sure I remember Heat Guy J being one of these.

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Heck, it was obvious that stupid things were happening WHILE they were still happening. I mean, who didn't look through some of the anime being released in the mid 2000s and go, "holy crap, who's buying THAT??" (Answer: NOBODY)


I feel like this is still happening today. I look at some of the titles being released and so many of them look and sound the same that it's difficult to tell them apart, and I can't help but wonder if these shows are finding a market? Obviously the the industry landscape has changed quite a bit since the 2000's, and hopefully companies are paying licensing fees that are more easily recoverable. But nowadays, in an attempt to appease would-be pirates, we have the added wrinkle of simulcasts, which affords companies even less of an opportunity to curate their acquisitions. I think a big part of Aniplex's success is their track-record with curating their catalogue.

Now the fan in me thinks "great, all anime should be available to any fans that are willing to pay for it." But the businessman in me worries companies are stretching themselves too thin, and flooding the market with lower quality product - making those same mistakes Justin mentions in his article that lead to the crash and multiple anime distributors going out of business. It seems like this race against time/fansubbers could be setting companies up to make mistakes that could drown them.

What do you all think, is it worth it to have access to so much anime now if it ends up sinking one or more of the current anime distributors in the future? I'm not sure.
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Sentai Filmworks is the king of "Who's ever even heard of THAT?" today. But I have to admit that I might not always be the most aware of titles that don't immediately suit my interests.
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iTunes has a stricter content policy

I remember when Funimation put up a few of their minor-league shows up on iTunes in 2007, seemingly to test the waters: Moon Phase, Speed Grapher, etc. I tried out Rumbling Hearts and it ended up being one of my favorite shows ever. I wonder if iTunes' policies would now reject it for its sexual content (Funimation rates it a TV-14, Hulu a TV-MA). It's also funny — no, aggravating, actually — to think that the same sexual content would absolutely prohibit its source visual novel from being sold on the App Store.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2014 5:39 pm Reply with quote
kazenoyume wrote:
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They all got stuck with a lot of turkeys, and paid too much for most of those turkeys.


Just out of honest curiosity what were some infamous titles like this? Shows that companies paid a lot for the license of that turned out to be terrible and/or that sold terribly?

ANN had a story a few years back about some court documents in the Funimation/ADV lawsuit revealing what ADV paid for a handful of titles.

So just to set some expectations: $780,000 for Pumpkin Scissors.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2014 6:06 pm Reply with quote
noblesse oblige wrote:


I feel like this is still happening today. I look at some of the titles being released and so many of them look and sound the same that it's difficult to tell them apart, and I can't help but wonder if these shows are finding a market? Obviously the the industry landscape has changed quite a bit since the 2000's, and hopefully companies are paying licensing fees that are more easily recoverable. But nowadays, in an attempt to appease would-be pirates, we have the added wrinkle of simulcasts, which affords companies even less of an opportunity to curate their acquisitions. I think a big part of Aniplex's success is their track-record with curating their catalogue.

Now the fan in me thinks "great, all anime should be available to any fans that are willing to pay for it." But the businessman in me worries companies are stretching themselves too thin, and flooding the market with lower quality product - making those same mistakes Justin mentions in his article that lead to the crash and multiple anime distributors going out of business. It seems like this race against time/fansubbers could be setting companies up to make mistakes that could drown them.

What do you all think, is it worth it to have access to so much anime now if it ends up sinking one or more of the current anime distributors in the future? I'm not sure.


As long as they're not putting themselves in the red distributing every title they can, no matter how niche, it should be fine. These days the publishers aren't buying in crazy prices like it was back then.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2014 6:18 pm Reply with quote
penguintruth wrote:
Sentai Filmworks is the king of "Who's ever even heard of THAT?" today. But I have to admit that I might not always be the most aware of titles that don't immediately suit my interests.


This is pretty much who I had in mind, lol. But still, the pace of the industry these days puts every company at somewhat of a disadvantage, I think. Gotta have quite a bit of foresight, I don't know how they do it.

Paiprince wrote:
As long as they're not putting themselves in the red distributing every title they can, no matter how niche, it should be fine.


One can only hope...
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2014 7:03 pm Reply with quote
kazenoyume wrote:
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They all got stuck with a lot of turkeys, and paid too much for most of those turkeys.


Just out of honest curiosity what were some infamous titles like this? Shows that companies paid a lot for the license of that turned out to be terrible and/or that sold terribly?


I'd say half the the stuff that aired on Toonami and CN back in the day that didn't get rerunned like it was going out of style that'd be too easy and presumptuous..
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2014 8:05 pm Reply with quote
invalidname wrote:
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iTunes has a stricter content policy

I remember when Funimation put up a few of their minor-league shows up on iTunes in 2007, seemingly to test the waters: Moon Phase, Speed Grapher, etc. I tried out Rumbling Hearts and it ended up being one of my favorite shows ever. I wonder if iTunes' policies would now reject it for its sexual content (Funimation rates it a TV-14, Hulu a TV-MA). It's also funny — no, aggravating, actually — to think that the same sexual content would absolutely prohibit its source visual novel from being sold on the App Store.

They have relaxed their restrictions nowadays. But they do have stricter policies about ages. What almost always happens is that Apple will push up the rating if you want to get on their store. You'll end up with a smaller audience, but publishers can accept Apple's age restriction to 17+, which is also the only way to get any app that serves third party content in their app store.

I see several titles where a publisher's own rating is lower (and nearly every anime title rated by Canada's rating board is also lower) Apple will push it up with age restrictions. Kite Liberator is suggested-16 by Media Blasters but restricted-R in iTunes. Mysterious Girlfriend X, Another, and so many others by Sentai are TV14 but TV-MA in iTunes.

There are only a couple titles still missing (So I Can't play H, Queen's Blade series, etc) but I assume those have been rejected given what was mentioned, but it could just be licensing. The evaluations seems kind of haphazard to me. Also, what is haphazard is the availability of uncensored/home video version being used on third party platforms like Hulu, Netflix, Amazon, etc. For example can "buy" Amazon's video download of Samurai Girls, but you'll get the censored version. And sometimes one season will be the home video version and another season won't be.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2014 8:54 pm Reply with quote
Cyborg 009's final arc was eventually drawn by Onodera Jou based on Ishinomori's notes, but that came a long time after Ishinomori passed on. (There's a bit at the end where Ishinomori is visited in the hospital by his characters, who have traveled back in time to tell him his story will be finished after all.)
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You know, I don't think that I'll ever understand the need to own something digitally. Of course, I know there are people that try to consume as much entertainment as they can, and that'd lead to wanting to own a lot more shows/movies/novels/etc as possible. And, digital probably is the way to go there, since no one has an infinite amount of physical space. Not having to worry about space means that...you only need to worry about money. Laughing

But, I do tend to be picky with what I watch/read, and that of course leads to being picky with what I'd like to own. And, whatever I own is in a physical format.

I've had friends ask me things about why wouldn't I want to 'carry' around more stuff when I go on trips/holidays, and that a tablet/laptop can be stuffed with a lot more than what I'd carry in luggage. Thing is, I only ever take a couple of manga volumes or novels, and maybe 2-3 DVDs of series or movies (I own DVDs as I do most of my viewing on my laptop). Because, outside of maybe killing an hour a day, when I'm away from home or don't have access to an internet connect for streaming...I'm not really sitting around much to have time to watch/read more than an hour or so a night.

Why would I go anywhere if I'd just be sitting in the hotel/apartment watching/reading stuff? Laughing

And, being in my twenties, along with being surrounded by people in their twenties, I get called an 'old man' a lot. Razz

Though, the fact that I can sell off anything that I buy helps too. That has rarely happened, and usually has only happened with manga, as I don't have a 'try before you buy' system for that aside from checking out reviews and online discussions. Yes, I don't read digital. Wink

The only things I own in a digital format are music and some games on my PS3. Like Alex the Kid and TMNT Turtles in Time, a couple of games that were PSN only releases, and some others that are old enough that they'd be hard to find and may require me buying another system if I were to try to get an original copy of it.

Ah, and thinking about a creator passing away before finishing a series off always makes me think of Zero's Familiar or The Familiar of Zero (I actually forget which is the actual English title for the series). Mostly because I love that anime and want to own it...but have no idea if/when the final seasons will be released. Sentai has the rights to the first and last seasons along with having released the first season. Hanabee has released the first season, but I don't think they've announced anything about other seasons. And MVM from the UK have announced that they have the rights to seasons 1-3, no idea when they plan to release those.

If Sentai get around to releasing the final season and MVM release 2 and 3, I've no problem own DVDs from Hanabee, MVM, and Sentai in order to have the series. Very Happy
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