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infamoustakai



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 10:23 pm Reply with quote
Easily one of the worst developed relationships of all time. Especially on a literary level.
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Minami-Asakura



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 10:33 pm Reply with quote
infamoustakai wrote:
Easily one of the worst developed relationships of all time. Especially on a literary level.


You have watched so little anime then, broaden your horizons.

Are you one of those "naruxsaku" worshippers?

That pair would be even as forced than sakura y gaysuke if not more.

In fact most pairs are forced and it was really unnecessary to see all those pairs but at the least Kishimoto had the balls to give closure forced or not. The japanese are really exasperating when love is concerned, leaving all to the imagination and endless debates about ambiguous endings, so at the least I applaud kishimoto for a propere closure that leaves little to debates and establishing canon pairs.

So his answer to you is just give it up pal, Its Naruto x Hinata, like it or not, end of debates.

In fact that pair is the one that feels more natural, Naruto got the best girl undoubtedly, Naruto x Sakura would be as bizarre as Tsunade x Jiraiya, it just doesnt work.

Kishimoto should have left Sakura and Sasuke single, they dont really work as a pair even in the wildest of dreams. It would be bizarre as Tsunade x Orochimaru, but oh well.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 10:33 pm Reply with quote
infamoustakai wrote:
Easily one of the worst developed relationships of all time. Especially on a literary level.


I didn't see twilight mentioned once in this article.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 10:34 pm Reply with quote
As a NaruSaku fan and someone whose noticed more relationship build up between the 2 than NaruHina, I felt like I was trolled/falsely advertised that NaruSaku would happen.

Kishi allows NaruHian and SasuSaku to happen but won't do an alternate official ending where NaruSaku, what is with that? He makes 2 major shipping sides happy but leaves out a 3rd major side?

As far as NaruHina, from the many anime/manga I've come across , I'd say they are 1 of the least developed couples (developed in terms of character development being shown).

With the NaruHina and SasuSaku ending, those shippers would be angry like us NaruSaku shippers had NaruSaku happened.
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Ronin2081



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 10:43 pm Reply with quote
Why does an author have to make all sides happy?

It was pretty clear as the series started to wrap up that there was little hope of an actual NaruSaku ending, more so after what Sakura tried to do around the time of the 5 Kage summit. Actually I think that is what sealed the deal on there never being a NaruSaku ending. At the same time it was doing little things to build up the NaruHina relationship as it chipped away at the NaruSaku one.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 10:44 pm Reply with quote
infamoustakai wrote:
Easily one of the worst developed relationships of all time. Especially on a literary level.


The fact that they have to make this movie to retcon 700 chapters of nothing puts this "romance" on the same level of a Harlequin romance. And it's bad writing, no matter how cute people find the design.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 10:55 pm Reply with quote
infamoustakai wrote:
Easily one of the worst developed relationships of all time. Especially on a literary level.


Agreed full stop
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shamisen the great



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 10:57 pm Reply with quote
infamoustakai wrote:
literary level.
I've never heard a shonen series accused of having a high "literary level" before. It's not like Naruto emphasized romance anyway. Next we'll be debating the finer points of Goku and Chi-Chi's relationship in Dragonball.
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infamoustakai



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 10:59 pm Reply with quote
Minami-Asakura wrote:
infamoustakai wrote:
Easily one of the worst developed relationships of all time. Especially on a literary level.


You have watched so little anime then, broaden your horizons.

Are you one of those "naruxsaku" worshippers?


And worst response of the night goes to...

No, I'm one of those people that if Kishimoto actually put in any effort on this whatsoever, would be moderately pleased with the results. Instead we got lazy writing that is truly embarrassing. I'll take no closure with decent writing over closure with terrible writing any day.

Beatdigga wrote:
infamoustakai wrote:
Easily one of the worst developed relationships of all time. Especially on a literary level.


The fact that they have to make this movie to retcon 700 chapters of nothing puts this "romance" on the same level of a Harlequin romance. And it's bad writing, no matter how cute people find the design.


Ding ding ding. We have a winner.
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Minami-Asakura



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 11:07 pm Reply with quote
Kadmos1 wrote:
As a NaruSaku fan and someone whose noticed more relationship build up between the 2 than NaruHina, I felt like I was trolled/falsely advertised that NaruSaku would happen.

Kishi allows NaruHian and SasuSaku to happen but won't do an alternate official ending where NaruSaku, what is with that? He makes 2 major shipping sides happy but leaves out a 3rd major side?

As far as NaruHina, from the many anime/manga I've come across , I'd say they are 1 of the least developed couples (developed in terms of character development being shown).

With the NaruHina and SasuSaku ending, those shippers would be angry like us NaruSaku shippers had NaruSaku happened.


You read the wrong manga, go read some good sgoujo or josei manga you are more likely to find the "romance development" then you want rather than in a battle shounen manga.

You are blinded by the pair you supported, as a neutral party, I can tell you there was more powerful and important moments between Naruto and Hinata. There were two important parts in which naruto notice clearly Hinata´s feelings for him, she has risked her life two times to protect naruto and naruto reciporcated her feeling both time.

By the end of the manga Naruto was not even in love with Sakura, not mentioning Sakura has always been a bitch to him, never reciprocating any of his feeling outside of her duty like giving him resuscitation MtM, or what, do you think that a kind of kiss?

Naruto x Hinata really blossomed with Pain and she risking he rlife once more when in the war when Naruto was gonna be stabbed, and both times we notice Hinata feelings reached naruto, probably by this time naruto started to develop feelings for Hinata.

A childhood crush is hardly real love. That is exactly was Naruto experiences, and Sakura as well towards Sasuke, that whi it feel so forced thet she ends up with naruto. Hinatas love was real, it was no crush just because Naruto was "cool" o "hot" which is was crushes are mostly based at that age.

If you wanna talk "FLAGS" the proper pair should have been nbaruto x gaysuke, where to do you leave this other option? Why nothing for the fujoshi and gay communities? All the series was about naruto and gaysuke.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 11:07 pm Reply with quote
there is no romance relationship between those in the manga. it doesn;t mean they can't romance relationship in the mocie. Not sure why that's bad writing.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 11:08 pm Reply with quote
I'm just going to say right now that I've loved the romances between Naruto and Hinata, as well as between Sasuke and Sakura for many, many years. Even out of all the manga I've read and anime I've watched, their romances are some of the best I've seen. I'm currently writing an overview of another manga on my blog, so I can't take time to give every example or anything, but the great things about these heroines are that they struggled to change themselves, to better themselves, and they were inspired by the men they loved and the friends around them.

spoiler[To have those efforts noticed and reciprocated feels like the only logical ending to me, imo.] Hinata cared about Naruto more than anyone in the world since the beginning, and Naruto finally realized that. He also liked Hinata's personality since a long time ago. Although he thought she was dark at one point, he saw her change.

Also, it looks like we'll also be getting some childhood scenes between Hinata and Naruto. Not everything can be shown in the manga... It's not a romance manga. It's not all about pairings.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 11:36 pm Reply with quote
@Minami-Asakura: I've read Naruto for years. Ch. 295 or 296 has Yamato confirm how Sakura feels about Naruto.

To me, when you have 2 characters who've spent more time together developing their relationship than one occasionally spending time with a supporting character, that's more evidence that they should be together.

I find it somewhat hard to take you seriously with your grammar mistakes.

Naruto hardly interacted with Hinata before ch. 700. If there was a chapter where it was shown that he realized that Sasuke was the 1 for Sakura, then I'd see your point(s) more. However, there wasn't.

As a neutral party, I think you should be able to see Naruto had spent more time with Sakura than Hinata.

I also ship based on characters who are shown to be attracted/love each other. That is, its' shown on panel and not happen off panel like what was the case for NaruHina and SasuSaku between 699-700.

In terms of kissing, if you go by the simplest definition of lips kissing (which I do include), then Sakura doing resuscitation to Naruto was kissing.

I find it more believable and convincing to ship a boy and girl who are shown to regularly interact than a boy and girl who hardly interact.

While debates can be made about who fit Naruto better in terms of personality, I go more with what it shown evidence wise and who Naruto has interacted with more.

I am a firm believer in the trope that the male protagonist should end up with the female protagonist.

Finally, If I was to really express my shipping side and how I felt about the ending, I'd be putting myself up for moderation or a possible ban.
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Minami-Asakura



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 11:53 pm Reply with quote
Kadmos1 wrote:
@Minami-Asakura: I've read Naruto for years. Ch. 295 or 296 has Yamato confirm how Sakura feels about Naruto.

To me, when you have 2 characters who've spent more time together developing their relationship than one occasionally spending time with a supporting character, that's more evidence that they should be together.

I find it somewhat hard to take you seriously with your grammar mistakes.

Naruto hardly interacted with Hinata before ch. 700. If there was a chapter where it was shown that he realized that Sasuke was the 1 for Sakura, then I'd see your point(s) more. However, there wasn't.

As a neutral party, I think you should be able to see Naruto had spent more time with Sakura than Hinata.

I also ship based on characters who are shown to be attracted/love each other. That is, its' shown on panel and not happen off panel like what was the case for NaruHina and SasuSaku between 699-700.

In terms of kissing, if you go by the simplest definition of lips kissing (which I do include), then Sakura doing resuscitation to Naruto was kissing.

I find it more believable and convincing to ship a boy and girl who are shown to regularly interact than a boy and girl who hardly interact.

While debates can be made about who fit Naruto better in terms of personality, I go more with what it shown evidence wise and who Naruto has interacted with more.

I am a firm believer in the trope that the male protagonist should end up with the female protagonist.

Finally, If I was to really express my shipping side and how I felt about the ending, I'd be putting myself up for moderation or a possible ban.


its does not matter how much time Sakura and Naruto spend together, BECAUSE OF THEIR MISSIONS! .

Love is not like that, you can fall in love with one person in 1 second, you do not need to spend time necessarily to fall in love.

Why should I trust Kakashi or Yamato´s take on Sakura´s feelings towards naruto?

Why do people here feel the need to find romance development in a darn BATTLE SHOUNEN MANGA??? crazy! Romance is the least important aspect of a pure battle shounen manga, secondly who told you Naruto did not ditch Sakura?

We do not know what really happened after the war, and the manga as a pure shounen does not need to show the build up of the relationships that developed either.

Like someone above said, next time we will discuss why Goku marries Chichi as they hardly spend time and why not bulma.. or why vegeta and bulma ended up together and had a child without us seeing their relationship develop. In a shounen manga ROMANCE DEVELOPMENT is not the point, again read shoujo or josei.

One thing is spend time together because you work together with a person and another really wanting to spend time with that person, Sakura never ever wanted to spend time with Naruto, sure, she liked him as an important comrade and friend, that is all there was to it, there was never ever any real development nor action that indicated Sakura had feelings of LOVE for naruto, all the contrary, for her all she wanted was Sasuke back since forever.


Shortly after the time skip Naruto did not show any real interest towards Sakura anymore as he did as a kid, other than help her and care for her as a comrade and friend, towards the end his crush towards Sakura seemed to be effectively over.

LOL! @ you taking that as a kiss:lol: No wonder you think Sakura loved naruto, so just like anime you consider and indirect kiss if a girl drinks from a can and you drink from the same can right...Surprised

It was Naruto x Hinata DEAL WITH IT Very Happy


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I'm thrilled for the NaruHina fans, myself included, but all I could do with that description was laugh. It read to me like, "Bad things happen to Hinata and she's STILL picked on for her shyness. Naruto is a f*ckin' idiot until he FINALLY SEES THE FREAKIN' OBVIOUS." Rolling Eyes
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